Well, mostly I, too, do not want my theories to be true! But, anyways: had they used only 2 spanish actors in a cast of latin americans it was possible the characters were related. This way they chose the most “mexican-looking” to play mexicans and the blue-eyed girl to play young Grace who could still be passing as american. And maybe the hair-dyeing is a thing that happened because of the enhancement? Idk. Analyzing the cast to prove plot points is always dicey, so I’m guessing we gotta wait.
Oh, I see, I see, yeah, that makes sense. The hair, I dunno, they probably won’t really address it.
Yep, waiting is all we can do. November 1st, not so far away.
Okay, your stance on my theory made me reconsider it and I realized that except two or three people, half of the supposed “mexican” characters are played by Spanish actors (probably because all the CDMX scenes were shot in Spain), so Dani-Grace may not be related by blood. It’s just hollywood using dark-haired europeans to play mexicans, as usual. As for the whole young Grace mystery, I’m guessing it’ll stay that way till the movie comes out. (Also, yeah to Sarah/Grace as a backup ship.)
Heh, my stance was largely based on me not wanting your theory to be true, it has nothing to do with how logically sound it was or wasn’t. And if you’re saying that they’re using dark-haired Europeans to play Mexicans, is that not what you were already saying is happening with young Grace? I don’t get how that negates your theory now. But I’d love to know! Heh.
Yeah, I know that spanish/latina should be different, but they also cast a spanish actor to play Dani’s father. Hollywood only cares that you speak spanish or make a spanish accent. The girl they chose speaks spanish and english fluently and it’s weird they’d cast her, when there’s 100s of US actresses who look a lot more like Mackenzie. My guess is that Grace and Dani are half sisters: Grace is half Spanish/half American; Dani half Mexican/half Spanish. That’d explain Mackenzie not being latina
oh, btw, I hope I’m wrong too! there’s so little space in these asks to make one’s argument, that I tend to come off as a heartless cynic. Either way, I’ll be gay for both separately (Sarah, too).
Hmm, very solid point about why they’d cast this brunette Spanish speaker, given the only really similarity we’d really be looking for is the hair. The sister thing, not so sure about, I feel like the parts that we’ve seen of this whole chase kind of preclude that Dani has a sister out there. If she’s important enough to be in the movie, either they’d be running to her or away from her, right? Though of course the trailer won’t show everything. And they might love that reveal of who Grace is.
The half sister part and explanation for why they’d hire a white woman…that’s a bit convoluted as a justification. Not on your part, but theirs. But definitely not unheard of.
And no worries, you’re not coming in as someone deliberately trying to crush the gay. I guess we just wait.
I think, there’s a 90% chance Dani and Grace are related. The actress playing young Grace is a spanish actress and there’s pictures of her and Linda dressed in normal clothes, so she’s already like 11 to 13 in 2022. That means the post-apoc future is very close, but also that young Grace is someone Dani probably knows as a child. So even if there’s no blood relation, it would be super weird anyways and it would explain the affection Dani shows in the trailer as a non-gay thing. Unfortunately.
Oh, huh, that’s some good detective work, anon. Dammit. Except for the part where young Grace being played by a Spanish actress implies that Grace is at all supposed to be Latina or Hispanic, because Mackenzie…ain’t. I was going to question your jump from young Grace being present to her being someone Dani knows, but it’s a fair guess. It would explain some things.
But anon, I hope you’re wrong. 😛
I want to get excited about Dani x grace potentially happening (which my gay brain still can’t believe that it will lol in such a big blockbuster and no talk about it??) but grace is the Kyle Reese replacement so theres like a 95% chance she’s dying lol
Haha, yeah, it is a bit lose-lose here, right. Though, I have heard that spec as well, but isn’t it hoped to be the start of a new trilogy? I don’t think this time they’d be as willing to get rid of one of their stars right off the bat? But given the genre and just the way modern media conveys high stakes, we all expect one of the good guys to die. I’ve seen spec or rumors about all of the helpers, Grace, Sarah Connor, and Arnie. I always hope it’s not going to be any of them and in fact would be super sad at losing the Sarah Connor, so I’m just worried in general. Whoops.
And another anon:
Why cast the actor of one of the most recognizable gay icons of the last few years if they didn’t want it to be gay (or have a wlw following)? Also, the two scenes you posted in the response to my rambling are both in the RedBand trailer if I’m correct. Because maybe it is gay! This IS the sort of movie who could break through. It’s R rated so no backlash from families, San Junipero was loved by basically everyone except hardcore homophobes, it wants to scare misogynistic trolls! It’d be perfect
Okay, I’ll grant San Junipero is well known for its f/f but I don’t know if I’d call her a recognizable gay icon. Or ascribe any of those motivations to the casting people… I mean, they cast her in Tully where there was also some obvious subtext and look what happened there.
It WOULD be perfect, for all those reasons, and yet. Clearly you’re not convinced yourself:
Same anon:
[cont.] Everything about the production screams gay, but if they actually did it they’d pat themselves on the back so hard they’d spit their own bullshit. BUT maybe they don’t want to spoil or scare off potential audiences by promoting the gay romance? OR they actually want it to be a surprise to thank all the wlw who kept renting at Blockbusters T2 in the 90s just for Linda’s biceps? Who knows. Grace is probably Dani’s adopted daughter from the future. Ugh.
Hahaha, yeah, if only they made this as a gift to all wlw. I mean, it looks like a goddamn gift right now. Honestly, I’m surprised there isn’t a ton of fic already? What are people waiting for? Once they get momzoned it’s all gonna dry up.
Grace is a cyborg. The Cyberdyne systems T models, while also cyborgs, are machines. Grace is not a machine.
Oh, okay, so cyborg is the overlap, machine vs human is the ends of the spectrum, as it were?
I’ve been shifting between “yes! They’re going to go there! It’s Tim Miller! And it looks so gay!” to “they’re gonna make them related even though one is a 5 feet tall latina and the other is a 7 feet tall caucasian”. I just can’t make up my mind, because how cool would it be if the f/f romance were the central one, BUT with no promotion, no patting themselves on the back? How groundbreaking to be treated as normal? But at the same time I’m like, this is Hollywood. They’re not going there.
Hahaha, that description. But yes, I feel exactly the same way! The way it looks, it’s so romance-coded. NOBODY gets to this scene and doesn’t at least raise an eyebrow:
It’s not just Grace physically protecting Dani, it’s Dani open to that and caring about Grace in turn and trusting her and falling asleep on her! The moment of connection with the shoulder touch!
Like! What are we meant to feel about what they’re going through? It has to be something, right?? But if they went there, it’d be leapfrogging over all kinds of steps we’ve made in representation, look at Disney getting all kinds of articles for background characters. If a Terminator movie went there, we’d know. Right? We’d know.
Same anon:
[same anon] As for the ship name, I think a few months back I saw Gramos or Drace as portmanteaus. As for a combination of who they are we gotta know more, I agree. Because like EnhancedSaviour would be nice, but maybe these “cyborgs” have an in-universe name and Dani is not the actual saviour. Anyway, I’m rambling… I’m just so excited!
Oh, don’t love those portmanteaus. Maybe we’ll know a bit more them and their roles soon? Yeah, not necessarily going to be Terminators or mother of all destiny but something. Or we might get Grace’s last name.
what’s the difference between a cyborg and an enhanced human in this case?
In this case? Well, that’s a good question. In some respects they end up being the same and I guess if Grace were a cyborg, we’d still end up assuming free will and choice and emotions, like we kind of did for Cameron in The Sarah Connor Chronicles. But that would be a huge part of Grace’s identity, are cyborgs capable of all that, do the humans accept that they do, is there a point where they evolved to have that and didn’t before? So the big difference is that none of that debate is relevant now (although I did find it super interesting in TSCC).
But everything else, cyborgs are probably way stronger and effective fighting machines but different models of cyborgs have that same disparity. Cyborgs are programmed, and crucially, can be reprogrammed, but humans can be brainwashed so, same difference. Honestly, strength and loyalty aside, it really does come back to how other people treat them. As a human, Grace is “one of them” in a way she wouldn’t be as a cyborg.