I’ve seen people speculating and it may still be something they go with, but at WORST, it’d be an attempt. They wouldn’t do all this to end Rana’s story in such a horrible way, they’re trying to tell a valuable story, of how it is for LGBT Muslims, and there is no way they’d show it ending badly. It’s a tough reality, but they’ll want to give hope to everyone out there.
I hope corrie go with some kind of self harm story with Rana. So many people just don’t get how hard it is to accept your sexuality especially if you know if your family will leave and with the whole her being treated as a business transaction thing I think it seems likely that they might. I hope they do because it would help my mum understand that it’s not just a matter of picking one person. It’s picking between your family and everything you know and the woman you love and that its not easy.
I gotta say, anon, heh, that “hope” with the rest of that sentence? Is a bit jarring. No judgment on you, obviously, I get where you’re coming from.
I’m of two minds about it. I’ve already watched all this on TRMD with Jade, including the suicide attempt. And if I’m honest, I don’t think it did much there? That could be down to the execution, it being a hurried telenovela kind of plot but it covered the main things, family treating her badly, her feeling she had no escape, and yet it barely affected her family past a few eps, let alone the audience. And omg, I just remembered, they did the same thing to Paul, her also gay brother, near the end of the series. And again, no real effect. I suppose it comes down to the audience as well, how receptive they are to something like this? I think it was agreed that it probably came a few years too early for the Philippines. While it might be the right time for Corrie’s viewers right now, especially if they take care to draw it out.
Representation is important for the people it represents and the people who should see others normalized. I agree with that completely. Two different audiences, right? I think both should be taken into account. Is showing the consequences of this to the straight people and the non-Muslims who could learn something worth the gay Muslims’ horror watching this play out? As a gay Muslim, I’m not particularly enthused by seeing a lot of my own suffering up there. However, I am just one gay Muslim, I don’t represent all of us, and I don’t have anybody watching Corrie. I suspect if my mom were watching, I’d be able to look for her reactions and that would bring a new dimension to things.
If it’s a matter of how instructive it is, I think it could be very valuable, especially if not sensationalized. I just hope they strike the proper balance between needed rep and Making Gays Suffer to Teach Straights a Lesson.
I hope corrie go with some kind of self harm story with Rana. So many people just don’t get how hard it is to accept your sexuality especially if you know if your family will leave and with the whole her being treated as a business transaction thing I think it seems likely that they might. I hope they do because it would help my mum understand that it’s not just a matter of picking one person. It’s picking between your family and everything you know and the woman you love and that its not easy.
I gotta say, anon, heh, that “hope” with the rest of that sentence? Is a bit jarring. No judgment on you, obviously, I get where you’re coming from.
I’m of two minds about it. I’ve already watched all this on TRMD with Jade, including the suicide attempt. And if I’m honest, I don’t think it did much there? That could be down to the execution, it being a hurried telenovela kind of plot but it covered the main things, family treating her badly, her feeling she had no escape, and yet it barely affected her family past a few eps, let alone the audience. And omg, I just remembered, they did the same thing to Paul, her also gay brother, near the end of the series. And again, no real effect. I suppose it comes down to the audience as well, how receptive they are to something like this? I think it was agreed that it probably came a few years too early for the Philippines. While it might be the right time for Corrie’s viewers right now, especially if they take care to draw it out.
Representation is important for the people it represents and the people who should see others normalized. I agree with that completely. Two different audiences, right? I think both should be taken into account. Is showing the consequences of this to the straight people and the non-Muslims who could learn something worth the gay Muslims’ horror watching this play out? As a gay Muslim, I’m not particularly enthused by seeing a lot of my own suffering up there. However, I am just one gay Muslim, I don’t represent all of us, and I don’t have anybody watching Corrie. I suspect if my mom were watching, I’d be able to look for her reactions and that would bring a new dimension to things.
If it’s a matter of how instructive it is, I think it could be very valuable, especially if not sensationalized. I just hope they strike the proper balance between needed rep and Making Gays Suffer to Teach Straights a Lesson.
Thank you both. It is unfair. On all counts. I’ve been avoiding the ‘m’ word for over a decade. Age/time makes the people pushing for it more anxious. Sometimes there only seems one way out. Which is morbid and I’m far too weak for that.
It’s not strong to do that…nor is it weak. It has nothing to do with those qualities. There are so many platitudes about it but it really isn’t a measure of a person’s strength or determination or bravery at anything like that at all. It’s circumstances and being ill. And if you’ll excuse my being morbid for a sec as well, you have no idea if it would actually be a way out and not a way into something much worse. Right? If things seem so bad right now, what’s to say that’d end? I’m sure if you’re at this point, you’ve already thought of and dismissed the usual things people say (which are all true, people do love you, people will miss you, it’s a permanent solution to a temporary problem and so on), and I get that. I do. But no matter what, the one thing you can’t be sure about is it would be a solution or escape at all.
However, I am obviously super unqualified to talk about any of this, given I’m trying to terrorize you into not considering…that, and even aside from just that topic, have you considered therapy? Someone LGBT-friendly who’d at least give you room to vent and who’d validate how incredibly unfair things are? It helped me a lot. We’re pressed in from all sides, homophobia from fellow Muslims, Islamaphobia and racism and xenophobia from fellow gays. And the people we’d usually turn to are the ones who’re gonna be the worst about it. And we still love them! Unlike so many other unfair situations where you can blame someone and find people to band together with, that’s impossible here. There’s just a lot of resentment and defeat and isolation, right? Toward them, for being like this, not being better, putting you in this position.
But none of that is gonna get fixed by marrying a dude. Objectively, you are in the right here. This is, in a hugely bigger way, the same as deciding to go into humanities over sciences. It’s not their decision. It’s as easy as that.
I’ve told my parents, truthfully, that I don’t want to marry because: I don’t like other people enough to put up with someone that much, I don’t like other people in my place, I don’t want children, I like my free time and money for me. If your parents or siblings or relatives have any weaknesses in their marriage, feel free to exploit that. Any spouse who spends too much time at work, who isn’t a good partner, point that out. If you’re the oldest or only child…then yeah, sorry, I feel y’all have an overdeveloped sense of responsibility and it all does become harder. I mean, if you’re agreeing to marry someone for them, you’re clearly not the rebellious black sheep of the family. But jeez, if there’s one decision you should make for yourself, it’s this one. I’ve literally never spent a single vacation in my life the way I’ve wanted to, despite living on my own for years. My annual time off from work is decided by my mom to visit this sibling or this grandparent, this state or this country, and I grumble about it, but I do it. I listen. But marriage? Haha, no, no, noooo. Anon. If you’re this unhappy now, how do you think it’s going to be in a few years?
Thank you both. It is unfair. On all counts. I’ve been avoiding the ‘m’ word for over a decade. Age/time makes the people pushing for it more anxious. Sometimes there only seems one way out. Which is morbid and I’m far too weak for that.
It’s not strong to do that…nor is it weak. It has nothing to do with those qualities. There are so many platitudes about it but it really isn’t a measure of a person’s strength or determination or bravery at anything like that at all. It’s circumstances and being ill. And if you’ll excuse my being morbid for a sec as well, you have no idea if it would actually be a way out and not a way into something much worse. Right? If things seem so bad right now, what’s to say that’d end? I’m sure if you’re at this point, you’ve already thought of and dismissed the usual things people say (which are all true, people do love you, people will miss you, it’s a permanent solution to a temporary problem and so on), and I get that. I do. But no matter what, the one thing you can’t be sure about is it would be a solution or escape at all.
However, I am obviously super unqualified to talk about any of this, given I’m trying to terrorize you into not considering…that, and even aside from just that topic, have you considered therapy? Someone LGBT-friendly who’d at least give you room to vent and who’d validate how incredibly unfair things are? It helped me a lot. We’re pressed in from all sides, homophobia from fellow Muslims, Islamaphobia and racism and xenophobia from fellow gays. And the people we’d usually turn to are the ones who’re gonna be the worst about it. And we still love them! Unlike so many other unfair situations where you can blame someone and find people to band together with, that’s impossible here. There’s just a lot of resentment and defeat and isolation, right? Toward them, for being like this, not being better, putting you in this position.
But none of that is gonna get fixed by marrying a dude. Objectively, you are in the right here. This is, in a hugely bigger way, the same as deciding to go into humanities over sciences. It’s not their decision. It’s as easy as that.
I’ve told my parents, truthfully, that I don’t want to marry because: I don’t like other people enough to put up with someone that much, I don’t like other people in my place, I don’t want children, I like my free time and money for me. If your parents or siblings or relatives have any weaknesses in their marriage, feel free to exploit that. Any spouse who spends too much time at work, who isn’t a good partner, point that out. If you’re the oldest or only child…then yeah, sorry, I feel y’all have an overdeveloped sense of responsibility and it all does become harder. I mean, if you’re agreeing to marry someone for them, you’re clearly not the rebellious black sheep of the family. But jeez, if there’s one decision you should make for yourself, it’s this one. I’ve literally never spent a single vacation in my life the way I’ve wanted to, despite living on my own for years. My annual time off from work is decided by my mom to visit this sibling or this grandparent, this state or this country, and I grumble about it, but I do it. I listen. But marriage? Haha, no, no, noooo. Anon. If you’re this unhappy now, how do you think it’s going to be in a few years?
There is a theory going around that Rana will attempt suicide. What do you think of this?
What, wow. A theory based on what?
I wouldn’t be surprised by it, but I wouldn’t like it. TRMD did exactly thism Rana and Jade’s stories parallel in a lot of ways, and Jade, through guilt and pressure, was driven to the same thing, and it wasn’t handled well there, and I don’t expect it to be handled well here. It’s something that shouldn’t be a small side plot as part of a major arc, it should get its own separate treatment.
That’s not to say that LGBT characters shouldn’t ever be portrayed as depressed or that they could never consider or try to commit suicide, but it shouldn’t be as a result of a fairly brief breakup, and then have any negative feelings go away once the couple is reunited. They can’t just treat it like someone going on a bender. And given how the show has just completely glossed over Adam’s attempt over Christmas, I would not put much faith in them doing right by it here
Though, while I wouldn’t be surprised, I wouldn’t expect it. There’s no real dramatic value in it right now. IF they were to pull such a thing, it’d be as a wake up call to the people around her, and there’s a long way to go where that’s at all necessary, and I’d expect any downward spiral to lead to leaving Zee and coming out, that’s her “nothing to lose” thing, and then for her to be supported enough by Kate and Imran to not go further.
There is a theory going around that Rana will attempt suicide. What do you think of this?
What, wow. A theory based on what?
I wouldn’t be surprised by it, but I wouldn’t like it. TRMD did exactly thism Rana and Jade’s stories parallel in a lot of ways, and Jade, through guilt and pressure, was driven to the same thing, and it wasn’t handled well there, and I don’t expect it to be handled well here. It’s something that shouldn’t be a small side plot as part of a major arc, it should get its own separate treatment.
That’s not to say that LGBT characters shouldn’t ever be portrayed as depressed or that they could never consider or try to commit suicide, but it shouldn’t be as a result of a fairly brief breakup, and then have any negative feelings go away once the couple is reunited. They can’t just treat it like someone going on a bender. And given how the show has just completely glossed over Adam’s attempt over Christmas, I would not put much faith in them doing right by it here
Though, while I wouldn’t be surprised, I wouldn’t expect it. There’s no real dramatic value in it right now. IF they were to pull such a thing, it’d be as a wake up call to the people around her, and there’s a long way to go where that’s at all necessary, and I’d expect any downward spiral to lead to leaving Zee and coming out, that’s her “nothing to lose” thing, and then for her to be supported enough by Kate and Imran to not go further.
