Thank god the girls are good actors to make up for the bad writing in Shondaland

Hahaha, yeah, pretty much. They have to do a LOT of heavy lifting. If it weren’t for their bonkers chemistry, I don’t know how many of us would have stuck past 3×15.

And another anon:

I liked what happened with Maya and Carina even if it was really easy for Carina to forgive Maya. I feel like they can work on their communication and what comes of this next season, but I for one am happy to be going in to an indefinite hiatus on a high note. Sometimes I just want characters to be happy and for forgiveness to be easy so I’ll take it. On another note, Stef and Danielle’s live was beyond adorable.

Yeah, I really do hope that with the extra time they’re getting, they’ll write something for them that continues from this, where Maya’s trying to be more open and aware she has to make up things to Carina and not just being her usual hardass self as if they’ve skipped past all that.

I LOVE that we’re going into this happy, now I can keep making all the gifsets I had planned, and that wasn’t at all guaranteed after 3×15!

Their live was an absolute balm after the whole rollercoaster of a week. 🙂

And another anon:

people getting mad at station 19 for what happened with maya and carina: yeah i get it of course i do, it’s not great, however this is the same shit shondaland has been pulling for over FIFTEEN YEARS. tbh if the season hadn’t ended this way i would’ve been concerned. i can’t believe no one died like holy hell like we should be preparing for next season to be way worse bc season 4 of greys was when they started killing off mains

Right, I really don’t love it, but part of what made me still willing to see where it went after 3×15 was because this was just such a common thing they did for everything. And nooo, S19 already killed off Rigo, Ryan, and Pruitt, like, please, after this year, on the show and off, we don’t want more deaths. :<

And another anon:

I enjoy how sweet they are and also am a little bit in love with Stefania so I’m happy she’s sticking around. My perfect finale would have had Maya go to the hospital after the shit with her dad willing and ready to talk but have Carina too pissed to really want to hear her out. And they end it on a cliffy, where Maya is groveling. Because I’m still salty. Also Jack should have apologised as well like dude you totally took advantage of the situation come on! What would you have liked to see?

Jack should have apologized too, yes, though I don’t really see it as taking advantage in like, a predatory way, but just, he was a bad friend, aside from again sleeping with someone else’s partner. He knew exactly why Maya changed the convo to sex and he just went with it, helping her to wreck her relationship and do exactly what he’d just pointed out she was doing, shutting out her partners. Honestly, it undid a lot of his journey. I absolutely grant that growth is not a smooth trajectory, you can backslide after progress, but RIGHT after Miller forgave him because he was trying, he went and did this, and sure it happened because he’s still messed up but then he didn’t show the slightest bit of guilt when he went back to hang out with Miller after. 

While I think Maya should have groveled for longer, I absolutely wouldn’t have wanted this to end on a cliffhanger, and instead, would have moved the timeline backward, so the cheating happened 3×14 and 3×15 was the realization and groveling and 3×16 was Carina taking her back. 😛 Or at least give Carina two different scenes in the finale, one to air her grievances and not as she’s forgiving Maya. But tbh, I’m still okay with this.

And another anon:

I’m going to say it. The actress Carina deserves better. Bye. (And by ‘deserves better I mean this terrible thing called Grey’s Anatomy writing… Can she go across the pond and meet fellow Christina Yang aka Eve Polastri and have herself because her own Villanelle.?)

She does, but they all do. If we got to wish for whatever we wanted, I’d want both Stefania and Danielle to get writing that fit their chemistry. I don’t know that she’d be treated better in a KE situation, heh, she has great hair, so that means at some point she’ll be shot and left to die. Is that better??

And another anon:

The most recent danielle/Stefania live was a lot. Well they’ve all been a lot, but this one was especially lovely. They’re so cute together. It’s nice when the actors playing love interests genuinely like each other and like working together and understand how important their onscreen relationship is to people. You can hear it in the way they talk about their characters. I’m not expecting much for them next season being on separate shows, but hopefully that also means less relationship drama lol

Haha, yeah, remember when we were like, they only get 30 seconds every ep but at least it’s a cute 30 seconds. And yesss, their lives are all adorable and this one was especially great to watch, kind of freeing the tension that’d been building up, this fun celebration of the ship and fandom and each other. They just seem smart, nice people and that came across, like, Danielle’s guiding of the live and Stefania’s insights.

Yeahhh, I dunno what we can get next season, this was probably a “lot” for Maya’s story so she’ll be on the backburner for a while. But at least she’s still captain! Who knows what’s gonna happen with that since Sullivan, who’d made the selection, is now in this situation. But I absolutely hope that a lot of their time will be devoted to Carina and HER storyline now. 

what do you make of them having maya say that her dad made her ruin one of the best relationships she ever had and jack saying an apology goes a long way and then she says ‘im sorry’ to jack?

Oh, I absolutely took it as both of them talking about Carina as the best relationship but once Jack pointed that the effectiveness of an apology, Maya’s mind really started turning that over, apologizing to people you’d wronged, and realized Jack was one of them. 

I mean, I don’t love the guy, but he was unceremoniously dumped and the cheating sex was absolutely about her using him to do something (dumb) in the relationship she was actually focused on. So that was an acknowledgment she was listening to him now, both an apology and gratitude for him being supportive. Like, not once, not even in the moment when watching live, did I think it was them talking about their relationship. It’s just not what the writing this season supported. It was all about Maya learning to let someone in and that someone being specifically Carina with her unconditional understanding support and the dramatic apology immediately after proved that.

Teddy begging on Maya’s behalf to take her back KILLED ME !! Like, of couse you think so. I mean I’m sure Carina knows the whole story there but still, relationship advice? From the Cheater in Charge? Legitimately made me and my best friend giggle. I’m meh about how they got back together, but the actresses sold it for sure. And I’m super happy they made it clear Maya and Jack are platonic and the sex didn’t like, awaken anything in Jack. Well, not yet. I know how Greys Cinematic Universe is.

Haha, right, of course she was gonna say that, but that was absolutely part of the fun, that the character everyone knows is in the doghouse for her own wedding day shenanigans was like, “oh, just forgive her :))))”. I’m sure Carina knew about it but she wanted to forgive Maya anyway, so.

It wasn’t great, at all, and it sucks that sometimes we just have to be like, god, fine, but still…it IS fine. It was a pretty tropey ending for them, including Jack even encouraging her to go after Carina. But lol, yeah, “not yet”. Probably when he and Andy are together again at some point and solid and Maya and Carina are like, engaged, this franchise will be like, you know what would be fun?

as sloppy as that was, (maya and carina) the show is just like that when it comes to relationships. especially ones that don’t include andy lol(but also: sullivan wtf) rewatching from s1 and andy/jack/ryan was total whiplash and such a mess! at least we got to see this happen & not have to make do with just a passing reference in the s4 premiere yk? think the doctor egging it on made the scene for me lol. and carina is so hot to me but i will never watch greys so this is a win for me, im weak?

I love how you realize as you’re writing that Andy isn’t an exception when it comes to relationship writing on this show at all. It IS so messy, and like, as much as people might be pissed at how Marina ended the season, look at poor Sullivan, in pain and alone and wrong in thinking he could count on Andy at this time. You never know with this show, after they set up the two of them as really liking each other and being supportive, they started tearing them apart just as quickly and now are people supposed to want Andy and Jack? I don’t know.

But absolutely, I’m glad we actually got to see the moment, that it wasn’t left for s4 or even the Grey’s ep that wasn’t shot, lol. I’m actually really warmed by the media that was made before covid hit where they decided to end on a hopeful note, like, it wasn’t because they were influenced to, it was just what they wanted. Not to say that I will at all reject or judge those who’ll make kinder media because of this, I’ll take it any which way. But it’s just nice to have this gentle media in this time because people had already decided that’s what they wanted to create.

And absolutely, I’d much prefer Carina stay on S19, unless she and Maya have meaty stuff on Grey’s. They’re so isolated, neither has talked to anybody else from either show. That’s wild. I hope the writers take this chance to really think on these storylines and the fact that whatever they’d planned for Grey’s finale arc now can be done differently and do something that incorporates both, specifically, having Maya be there to support Carina.

Do you have the whole clip of Danielle and Stefania live stream for the final ep. I’ve missed it and I can’t find it anywhere ?

Me:

Yep, people are actually pretty good about uploading lives involving the Grey’s/S19 cast, you can see their earlier ones if you search on Youtube.

I definitely do agree that the story like of mayas dad felt rushed, and carina took her back way too easily but there’s a part of me that feels like we missed so much because they had to cut scenes that crossed into greys. Like greys didn’t finish filming their season before covid stopped production, and they luckily were at a point where they had a decent season finale but there was still so much crossover the last several weeks, I’m curious how it would have ended if greys did at the same time

Oh, huh, that’s a really good point. You’d think this would have come up in at least one of the last three Grey’s eps that would have aired? Like, would Carina have just been doing her thing while being brutally broken up with? Maybe, maybe. Actually, just the two eps, since one would have aired after, and I doubt we’d have seen any of them being happy. We should just consider ourselves lucky they did the happy ending on Station 19′s time. 

I don’t know, I feel like we should keep Carina, Grey’s barely uses her. Even this last scene with Teddy, Carina had to explain the whole awfulness of it to her right there, so they couldn’t have talked about it before. Maybe she mentioned it to her brother… But like, what could they have shown that would have made up for how much was missed? Carina was as angry as she deserved to be at the start of Maya’s apology.

I’m SO done with this show. For ONE second I was happy to see Carina being so mad at Maya and then Teddy, the woman who cheated on her future husband (because Marina stans forgot this detail), had the fucking audacity to tell to Carina to forgive Maya ??????? Nah fuck this show, Rick Shonda & Krista, fuck Teddy, fuck Maya. It’s just fucking bullshit !!! I just can’t believe that they made Carina as someone who forgives too soon… They just destroyed her. I’m done.

Oh, lol, I absolutely remembered Teddy’d had her whole cheating mess and this all was most likely about HER wanting to be forgiven and I guess Owen hasn’t yettt. 

But I mean, yeah, fair points, anon, as Stefania mentioned in the live, she would not have forgiven Maya that quickly and hopefully there’s a lot of making up in the next season, but for me, I guess the alternative was heading into a really long hiatus with them not being together, and I prefer this. 😡 And I just don’t think they’d EVER have given them the time they deserved. With the timeline they had, they should have done this all even earlier, I’m glad they actually had Maya come to the realization about her dad. And I mean, I guess I’d prefer someone forgive too easily, that’s not at all a flaw in Carina for me. But I get it, and maybe this franchise isn’t for you and that’s fine, there’s other stuff around.

I’m selfishly happy that maya and carina are back together but that felt very, very,very, fast and poopy story telling to end a season long storyline.

Lol, yeah, but I’ll take it. I’m as easy as Carina apparently. 😮

It is what it is with this show, that same imbalance between Maya and Carina will exist with Andy and all the other characters and they won’t get that same screentime. At the party at the start when Maya came out to talk to Andy, and Andy was like if it’s to talk about my husband or father, I’m not gonna, and of course that was apparently the only thing they could talk about, it’s not as if Maya’s life was going through its own upheaval? Andy got those slow flashbacks in the season finale and a full arc, and that’s just the show. 

The story with Maya’s dad deserved so much more time, the way the dad suddenly became this villain, I wondered for a second if it was a hallucination because it was SO quick and sudden and such a 180. But I guess that’s that. The Sakura moment was good and I’m honestly kind of glad they had Jack there just to like, cement how platonic their relationship is now. Carina could have made her work harder, but at least it was something. Honestly, like you, I’m selfishly glad we go into the hiatus with them happy.