Don’t even watch Greys but I wish they got to air all their episodes. Feels like ABC went: ‘oh no Greys? Cool… eff them up Station 19, add some spice’ ?. It was so ridiculous in all ways (junkie,gun,CARCARSH???) I had to pause and laugh at times. I do love Maya but if they make Carina stay without MAJOR action on Maya’s part it’ll be so icky. Her expression/sob at the end with Maya was so shocked/sad :( . Agree that maybe we saw more of Carina’s plot on Greys but guess we’ll never know.

Yes, I would have loved to know if there had been any Maya/Carina on Grey’s that we didn’t get a chance to see. 

It was SO ridiculous. I laughed out loud twice this ep. First, because, like a fool, I was delighted when Andy started going on about her dad and Maya had just left her bed and then kitchen from being forced to think about her dad and it was just a funny, well-done way to tie the two stories together and show Maya how inescapable it all was. The second time was when the thief ran away after getting one man killed, shooting another, gleefully robbing the ambulance, and then getting hit by a car and the PRT crew were just like “…”

I think I’m still on the ship but it really does depend on what happens next and ab-soh-LUTELY, Maya has to put in major effort here. Carina has taken enou–MORE than enough, even before that heartbreaking final scene. Stefania did really well there, though, kudos. (And tbh, for such a sweet person on IG, Danielle does well at coming across as this aggressive hardass.)

I actually think maya and jack are endgame, especially after the whole “you know I know you and you hate it” convo

Heh, that line stood out to me too, but I dunno, then he brought up Carina again and the show seems to focus more on their relationship and how Jack is affecting it, not the potential for more Maya/Jack with Carina being an obstacle. I don’t know if this show really has endgames in that sense, like, wouldn’t you have thought Andy and Jack would be endgame? Or Andy and Ryan? I think they play fast and loose with the ships, no real endgame, just whatever serves their purposes for most drama and audience investment (which sometimes drive each other). 

Has ANY ship in either of these shows been written to last and be happy? Even the big ones, MerDer, Calzona, um, the one with Chyler Leigh and that guy from the Last Ship where they both died, wasn’t there cheating and messiness and often, death? More than most shows, the ships seems to be whatever the writers are feeling in that moment. There may be supercouples that come back again and again, and that’s certainly possible, Jack is the longterm character and Carina is a visitor from another show, but I feel like how they’re being written and treated right now doesn’t imply Jack more than Carina. It could change next season, but right now it seems, from both what we see onscreen and behind it, that Carina is the person people are really focusing on.

wasnt sure they were gonna address the dad stuff tbh tot we would get more cute clips. boy was i wrong lmao. annoyed rn not bc they fought, that was actually fine to me thought maya would go overboard and realize that her dad was fucked up/she’s becocming someone shitty. but like u said ‘as soon as Jack came into the office, before the door even closed, I was like, why is this super pointless convo even happening’ SAME. i saw it coming and i was going nooo the whole time!! ugh

No, yeah, I was fine with the fighting, that was part of the arc, right, that made sense, it has to go down before it can go up. I enjoyed it, as upsetting as it was to see poor Carina be treated like that, it was interesting to see their two approaches, Carina not letting go, Maya increasingly unable to cope with that. It felt like it was building to something. But this was just a stupid trope that they resort to all the time that added nothing, only took so much, given how f/f ships are treated. It was just part of Maya’s self-sabotage, something she could have done any other way, except this franchise loves to throw in sex into everything.

Did not expect that to happen on station 19. If you havent already seen the episode, it’s actually worse than we could have imagined.

I’m pretty annoyed with the writers, heh. I was liking the episode so much, including their fight, and I laughed out loud when Andy came into the firehouse where Maya was working out and they got into a projection competition about their dads. But as soon as Jack came into the office, before the door even closed, I was like, why is this super pointless convo even happening, the mood Maya’s in, this is going to lead somewhere, please don’t, please don’t, please don–okay.

We knew it’d be bad, we thought Maya would snap at Carina some more, maybe something really reminiscent of her dad with her mom and it’d shake her into realizing. The way Danielle was talking about her hopes for them in the future during last week’s live made me go hmmm about where they’d be when the season ended, since it seemed open-ended, but this wasn’t even on my radar. 

Like, even Maya trying to start something with him, I thought maybe that’d be enough for her part of the plot, self-sabotage, but he would stop it, since Dean’d JUST brought up how he’d forgiven Jack FOR SLEEPING WITH SOMEONE ELSE’S WIFE because he could see him trying to be a good person. Pfft, where

I mean, what can I say, right? It’s just the same old totally plot-contrived OOC nonsense this franchise will pull all the time, all over the place, not just with this ship I like. And maybe that makes it easier to compartmentalize and still ship, like you move on from it and ignore it as an aberration, but at the same time, it makes it hard to get invested as deeply. Although in this case, it’s not as if there was ever particularly deep writing behind this ship, it was mostly cute scenes between two gorgeous, cool women with a ton of chemistry. I dunno how I feel about them now, tbh. Cheating is usually a dealbreaker for me but like I said, the ship is kind of shallow in some ways, and as soon as it went deeper, this happened. Which is super frustrating!!! But it’s still so imbalanced, as much as it ever was, Carina’s brother’s storyline was finally brought up between them IN THE CONTEXT OF MAYA”S STORY. That is just ridiculous. 

And another anon?:

I’m starting to get really annoyed with S19. Either let maya come to realization about the abuse and move on or move onto another plot. It was enlightening when the story line first came out ( because abuse isn’t always physical) but they are ruining her character with the wishy washy shit and one of the best things going for her character was carina helping her learn how to deal with her emotions more healthily. Bah it’s an annoying to see the potential of a character be shit on by writers.

I expressed most of what I felt about this above already, but I will say, Maya being wishy washy is also just as enlightening as the idea that abuse isn’t physical. It CAN be this difficult to admit, it’s only been a few days or let’s say weeks in their world, but in real life this would take years, including with therapy. That is not at all my issue. It’s this soap opera cheating bullshit out of nowhere that I’m annoyed by.

And another anon?:

I feel like it’s a character assassination the way the writers are treating Maya.

Not to defend the show but they’ve never particularly favored Maya, over Andy or even Jack, and writing characters as cheaters is second nature to them, I don’t think they’re singling her out to make her look bad. This is her about to hit rock bottom and then come back and be fine and likable. Do they not do this for like…all their characters, all the time? But for fans, especially those invested in a ship, this does make it tough to see her in the same way. I’m gonna assume a lot of people are pivoting over to being more Carina fans right now while being mad at Maya. Which, understandable. Maya better freaking get therapy and go back and beg Carina for forgiveness on bended knee. 

Also, I wish they’d just give Carina more to do. Do we not get to see her side of this? If Grey’s had continued, would we have seen her be upset about this? Who would she talk to? All this while Andrew’s possibly deteriorating? This character is just there to prop up other storylines while being a saint.