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Sergio already knew where Juls lived from the very first time Lucho had him follow Val when he thought she was going to a guys house because he said she never comes to this area, then when Juls walked out to greet her, that’s when Sergio said well at least now I know where Juls lives. This was before they caught them both at the other house. But it is a plothole that Lupe told him where Juls worked but then didn’t know who he was.

Ah, right, that is what we were pointing out, that he knew where Juls lived because of following them but Juls never questioned how he knew. it’s not necessarily a plothole, she had other things on her mind and she could have assumed Val told him or in fact realized that if the boys followed them to Valle, they already knew everything else. But it’s creepy. 

And another anon:

Sergio has been shit this whole time and he lied a lot, now Lucho hacked Lupe’s phone to know where she was who is to say that he didnt do the same to Val during their relationship that’s why he says he always knows where she is in that hospital scene and Sergio knows about this and actually does the same with Juls

Indeed, I saw a bunch of people go ohhh, that’s how he knew she was at the hospital. I don’t think Sergio does it, otherwise he wouldn’t have to ask people so often, lol.

Didn’t Juls keep her phone during the kidnapping? Why didn’t they just track that instead of Lupe’s?

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major plothole or just confirmation that Sergio is a creep: Lupe asked who Sergio was when he and Val went to her house about Juls kidnapping, rewind to a day before where he says to Juls that he went after her in her house and Lupe told him where she was. Add to that the fact Juls never told him where she lived but the narrative at the moment didnt make Juls question his sentence

Oh, yeah! He knew where she lived by following her and nobody even addresses that. That specifically was probably a plothole (because otherwise the show would call attention to it) but I could believe he’s just being a creep and following her. Why not? She deliberately didn’t tell him where she lived before when he was dropping her off, so he went around her and had Val show him. And then of course following her to Silvina’s house (as well as later going along with Lucho to the house in Valle). He badmouths Val to Juls frequently, for no reason.

He constantly goes past boundaries and then is mildly apologetic about it and is forgiven.

It’s not that people can’t do bad things in shows, it’s that his actions are always framed as a good guy making a mistake for which he should be forgiven, instead of someone deliberately doing things he knows are wrong and then getting an almost immediate free pass.

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to be fair, Juls does have a pattern of settling with spending time with Sergio when she’s on the outs with Val or at least when Valentina is otherwise occupied. When they showed up at the pool, Juls got stuck talking to Sergio while Val and Lucho argued. when they hung out when Lucia was kidnapped, Juls looked at Val and Lucho on the couch then resigned to going to make popcorn with Sergio. At Guille’s party, Juliana got stuck dancing with him while Lucho stole Valentina away. (1/2)

after they were broken up, Juliana goes to lunch with Sergio cause she has no one else to turn to. So it’s not a surprise that, when she found Lucho comforting Val for something she didn’t even know the whole story of (plus the fact that Lucho has free fucking reign of the carvajal properties, when she’s had to mission impossible her way in), she turned to Sergio. I don’t blame Juls, she really doesn’t know anyone else and many of those times she was literally just stuck with him. (2/2)

Yep, they really did keep throwing her in his company. Not only were they paired up as the spares, he also often deliberately sought that out. 

When you think about it, in this whole city–country, Juls knows her mom, Panchito, Milagros, Val, Lucho, Perlita, and…Sergio. Aside from Val, he’s literally the only person who’s ever offered her a sympathetic ear (whatever his motivations for it). And which of them could she go to with the issues she was having that day? I don’t blame her at all. And while the narrative dictates that this was her act of…whatever, if this were real life, I would be very pissed at a person in his position.

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I know Val had to tell Sergio about Lucho but his stupid ass wasn’t making it any easier. Val wasn’t crying for 2 whole seconds and then he’s all I’m so sad can’t believe I won’t see him and then Val starts on the verge of crying again and then Juls calls. Also Sergio didn’t look happy at all. I know he’s super upset about Lucho, however, if he wanted to be a good friend to Val (I don’t care if he blames her or not…) he had zero regard for any of that. And I’m PISSED.

DID she have to tell him? He can just go away forever. Imposing his grief on her when she’s feeling the guilt she is? Aside from everything else. I am so not a fan. It only marginally helps to understand that he too is just a plot device, a placeholder for whatever the writers need him to be in the moment.

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Theory: Since Val isn’t listening to Sergio, would it be possible that he ends up explaining what happened with him and Juls, to Lupe? Telling her that Juls felt awful before and afterword and was only concerned about Val? I feel like the best redemption arc for Lupe would be her realizing that her meddling threw a wrench in her daughter’s relationship/happiness and then helping to get Juliantina back together.

Hmmmm. That would actually work in making both Sergio and Lupe look better, because right now, yikes. 

But I don’t know what could make Lupe see sense, considering how she’s being. She could just be like, Juliana will come around. Yuck. I know it’s important to show but this prolonged hateful illogical homophobia is nasty to see. 

Maybe after Juls is returned and doesn’t seem to be recovering, that would be the time for it? 

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Even after juls sleeping with S i applaud the writers. When taking a step back this show is breaking ground on a w|w and guaranteed a lot of straights backing lupe. Not only do they see first hand how fucked up there words are but also pressuring/questioning someone sexuality and how they feel afterwards. As much as I hate the trope I actually understand this and applaud the writers for taking it this deep and hoping the homophobic parents are watching.

I will say it was freaking tough to watch Juls like that. 

But also? Wtf was up with how it happened? Sergio plying her with drink, she’s literally wiping tears and forcing herself and he’s all jovial about it? 

And another anon:

Is it just me or it was f*cking rape??? Or at least emotional abuse I thought it was going to hurt but now I’m MAD

I don’t know if we can extrapolate lack of consent, but it was pretty freaking gross and I actually hate that while the f/f story choices are supposed to have some kind of message (whether they hit or not), his and Lucho’s actions repeatedly get excused or pushed aside.

And another anon:

That was assault, Juls was drunk not in her right faculties and he was sober because he is used to drinkin and has tolerance, it’s assault. Lucho did the same with Val. Im lost for words here

I don’t know what it was but let me just say, if that was on an episode of ODAAT (which it wouldn’t be, it’d be too dark for them to show on screen), they would be discussing it in very different terms.

And another anon:

Wow talk about taking advantage of a situation. Sergio knows juliana doesn’t like to drink, so he gives her alcohol. He knows shes in love with valentina but still pursues her. I thought he was starting to get better but this is real low. Juliana is super vulnerable right now and he starts pulling some shit? Fuck that

Yeah, there’s nothing about it that wasn’t creepy and disgusting and behavior that should be called out and certainly not forgiven! She’s an 18 year old who hates to drink, how much of a lightweight and under the influence would she have been? It was her choice to drink, sure, but anybody who wasn’t a creep wouldn’t have considered her advances.

Is the show just…not going to address that? Does it think that this is somehow Juls making this decision and then regretting it and that’s that? 

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Shit, I was away the whole day and came back to find the house on fire! Do you know if it’s true that Juls sleeps with Sergio? If it is, well damn, I wasn’t expecting this to go so wrong =/

Yeah, buddy. I’m sorry, it’s definitely a punch in the gut when you first find out. It sucks that we let ourselves believe they wouldn’t go to this place after the way they handled earlier Sergio scenes, but here we are. I’m seeing some people treat it as just a (really) crappy low in their story, maybe that’s the way to approach it, I dunno. I’ve come to terms with it but it’s obviously understandable if people bail.

And another anon:

What twittter account is telling y’all this info??

https://twitter.com/JuliantinaFans

And another anon:

It’s just disappointing. I just thought that her love for Valentina is stronger than any of her confusion or curiosity.

It’s not really about that, that’s not where her mind is, she’s not saying, is it Val or is it this. It’s not even, Val or my mom. They probably wrote the dumbass jealousy plot to set this up, where she doesn’t really think she has Val either. 

And I do get what you mean, she doesn’t have to have Val to say, no, I don’t want to sleep with anyone else, but I think there’s soulful meaningful sex and then there’s whatever this will be, a physical act that she’ll hate.

And another anon:

Add to the list of things I wasn’t fully aware of until I thought about them: Juls is American. She was born and raised in Texas. She’s American. I just….. 

*nods* This is totally the wrong time for it but @dealanexmachina was floating a The Proposal AU or even just a typical green card marriage AU, lol.

And another anon:

Is Juls really going to sleep with Sergio? I know it’s just fiction and whatever but if it’s true this genuinely hurts, for the first time there was a character who didn’t need to “try it with a guy” to know she is a lesbian…I feel alone again 🙁

I’m so sorry, anon. It happens way too often for us. Of course it may not be the first time but it’s so rare that we get a girl who actually realizes her sexuality on screen and goes through it all in front of us.

But it happens to us so often because we’ve seen so many of these stories. This is literally a first time character in a whole different set of ways. And hopefully, at least in telenovelas, this will create more characters (and even perhaps people in situations in real life) who don’t have to either. The lesson Juls will learn here is one you already know, you’re not that dissimilar, you’re just a step ahead. You’’re lucky that you didn’t have to go through what she does. This is not at all going to be something that people will be encouraged to do. 

And another anon:

Sigh. This situation is showing that some fandoms can’t handle situations. Like this is bad; but it some kind of real shit and Juliantina is more real than everything? We don’t know if is gonna make it the cut. I’m feeling worst because of how people reacted than for the spoiler itself.

Ah, I don’t really blame it on this particular fandom, I think it’s an overlapping fandom and it’s pretty shocking news at this point in the story. Honestly, this happened at exactly the wrong time, right after we’d finally started to think maybe it’d go okay, after all the pitfalls they’d avoided before. I do think it’s important to note not only that the audience for this is different, but we the fandom are at quite a different level. They’re basically creating 101 stuff for a 101 audience while the fandom is at 330 level courses. 

I do get what you mean, I’m also the type of person who is very easily influenced by what others think, and I’d really loved the part of this fandom experience that was a lot of happy, cheerful fans. But there’s nothing to do but get through this now. I see a fair number of people on Tumblr being chill about it, maybe stick to them?

And another anon:

but my gold-star-lesbian broody child with a soft spot for the cheerful heiress with pretty eyes 🙁 it’s just such a good thing, i dont want it to end

Anon! You know that’s a terrible way to look at people! It doesn’t make lesbians less to be not gold stars, my gosh. And as one myself, I can assure you it is a matter of luck and nothing else. I’m a Muslim who grew up in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, I trust you won’t find my situation easy enough for me to say this lightly. It wasn’t because of strength of mental fortitude or being a real lesbian that made me not do it. Being in the right environment, being able to withstand certain pressures at the right moments, that’s literally all that ends up mattering. Anon! And this doesn’t change the story one bit. Juls loves Val and she will continue to do so. All those great moments don’t disappear with this.

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1/? ok, this ask might be a tad bit long, but bare with me: you probably get a lot of asks right now about the whole sergio/juliana thing, but I just wanted to share my story so people might understand juls a bit more? it seems like a lot of people in the fandom are mad about it (though I do understand the reaction, I understand Juls as well). the first time I thought about the posibility about liking girls I was 17. I had been with a couple of guys, never sexually, but still..

2/? and I was wondering why I never would develop feelings for them. that was when I first started questioning my sexuality. I was confused and I wasn’t really sure of my feelings because I had never been with a girl either. I get the whole «you don’t have to sleep with a guy to know you like girls», but honestly I had no clue about what I was feeling. I was 17, and I didn’t have any gay friends or didn’t know any gay people so of course it was hard for me to know what I was feeling.

3/? I was 17, and I didn’t have any gay friends or didn’t know any gay people so of course it was hard for me to know what I was feeling. could it be that I hadn’t meet the right guy, could it be that I was in fact into girls? those two questions haunted me every single day, and I guess not having anyone who was gay around made things much harder to understand.

4/? The first time I ever got butterflies in my stomach was in fact with a girl a year later. She was four years older than me and from common friends I knew she had more experience with both guys and girls than me who was still a virgin at 18. I was nervous about her judging me for being a virgin (I know it sounds silly), but coming from a 18 year old who was very confused – is not in fact silly at all.

5/?: We started talking and hanging out a lot and every day I got more and more nervous about her having a lot of experience, versus me who didn’t. Then I got drunk one night and had sex with a guy. I knew immediately that it was a mistake and trust me if I could go back I would never do it again. But honestly, I get Juls situation. She is what, 18 years old? experiencing love for the first time and being told how wrong it is, that is not exactly easy dealing with.

6/?: And then when she in fact visit Val who is said girl she is in love with hugging and crying with her ex boyfriend? Like how bad wouldn’t that make anybody feel. I say it is a perfectly normal reaction to anybody that age who is not sure of their sexual orientation to experience with a guy as well.

7/7: Though I am a bit mad about the timing and her doing it before giving Val a chance to explain, I do get her reaction as well. She is allowed to outrage when seeing someone she loves in the arms of someone else. Honestly I think I would have done the exact same thing given the circumstances.

Thanks for sharing that, anon, I think there are people who do kind of do understand that this happens, for you, for many other young gays, but not how. So this was enlightening, because for a lot of us, there wasn’t the same pressure and confusion, so it’s difficult to process how it could lead to that. But I think, in the abstract, we can all understand how socialization, especially of younger girls, especially in certain environments, can lead to that.

I think what some fans are having trouble with is, for one thing, this being written into a fictional show, it’s their choice to go there, not the frankly…unhappy way of how it happens in real life? And yes, while we are dealing with a world that’s very messy, kidnappings and affairs and cheating, oh my, Juliantina, as we said repeatedly, seemed isolated from that, in this wonderful bubble of being well written and soft and not misunderstanding things and doing outrageous things because of that and basically free from a lot of tropes we hated.

We let ourselves lower our guard enough to think maybe, in avoiding all the easy ways it could have gone there before, it would keep doing that. Add to that the fact that Juls (and Val) have been written as strong in the face of homophobia so far, it seems so counter intuitive for Juls to bow to it now. And their love has been shown to be so strong that it’s overcome so much, and now this feels like a blow.

I really wish they hadn’t done it, it’s so messy and it’s a trope we hate for a reason, buuuut I also do see the other side of things. 

As much as I do hate the involvement of men in f/f stories, I do think that the way they’re writing this is informative for the audience in mind. They’re not showing that lesbians can sleep with men, they’re saying Lupe’s arguments are wrong and lead to heartbreak. Lupe’s arguments that I’m sure a lot of viewers share. That isn’t even just in Mexico or other countries with emerging LGBT awareness, that’s something a lot of morons in a lot of places think. 

Which makes it suck that Juls bowed to it, no doubt, but better a fictional character than a real person. And I do agree with you, Anon, that her circumstances are particularly terrible and make her vulnerable. People have not been able to see Juls’s perspective at a lot of different points when I think the writing has mostly clearly telegraphed it. 

She’s not going to enjoy it, she’s seeing it as a mechanical effort and will always be in love with Val, thinking she’s out of her reach. It’s just one part of a long story, which has mostly been very great so far.