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No, I think your take is nuanced. It’s okay that you don’t enjoy things that don’t have a happy ending, while still being able to understand that others do and that doesn’t make those movies/shows bad or wrong. It’s enough nuance for me. I also don’t enjoy such a hardline stance on BYG becoming almost a rule as I think it discourages writers from even including a gay character. If you’re going to get hate from fans for not doing it perfectly, I would be less inclined to do it if I were a writer

Ah, well, thanks! I think most people think like that, we only hear of the few exceptions that don’t because, well, unless the people who’re fine with it are getting a bunch of asks, there’s no reason for them to be putting it out there. 😛 Mostly it’s disagreement that gets voiced unprompted, not shrugs.

Oh, I wouldn’t worry about the hardline stance discouraging writers, that was the fear after the Lexa outcry and we’ve only seen a rise in LGBT characters, and for a good few years there, almost no deaths. And would you really want characters written by people who were going to kill them off but now that they know it’s frowned on don’t want to write the character at all?

I also think we tend to overestimate how loud the f/f fandom is, we wince at the reputations certain fandoms get, but that’s just…fandom. We’re only noticing those in particular because they’re ours, but m/m and m/f fandoms are just as loud (if not more so, because they’re more of them). Sometimes they get what they want, sometimes they don’t, it’s just how media works. And yes, they can’t all use homophobia as a specific criticism but they can usually find another political approach. Doesn’t mean the writers are going to be more inclined to listen, whether that’s a good or bad thing.

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It’s nice to see a more nuanced take on W/W plotlines that aren’t all happy. It feels like a lot of people get super mad if someone dies (though it often seems they direct that anger quite selectively) without looking at what it adds to the story. It’s like they took the ‘Bury Your Gays’ trope and turned it into some rule that no one can die or be unhappy or the show is homophobic.

Heh, well, I’m afraid you’re getting one of the rather unuanced takes here. I can understand that other people can still appreciate them but I don’t love ‘em and they add nothing for me. 

The applicability of BYG is…a tough topic. I actually DO understand people who’re like, we’ve gotten enough bad ends to hold us over for another few generations at least and there are very few narrative reasons good enough to justify them when other choices would have sufficed. But one can’t realistically make hard and fast rules about that, like, some wlw are going to be into media that does have BYGs and literally what would be the point of seeking them out and making them unhappy when for once the media didn’t.

Maybe it’s easier to explain if I say I always try to be on the side of wlw fans in general. It is true that a bunch of fans, including me, don’t really like bad endings (or a lack of HEA) but it’s also undeniable that media like THOBM and Portrait made a lot of wlw fans happy so great, a win for at least someone. There can be room for both groups. It’s fine to disagree, that’s natural, but as long as it’s not done meanly, whatever, right? It’s also probably helpful to not take defense or even praise of media personally as an attack on our own…approach to things.

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Do you think becky actually likes ginger or is just using her? I feel like its a mix but it might just be me?

Using her in what sense? I myself am not ruling Becky out as a potential baddie because of the genre, but in terms of what we’ve seen on screen so far, I haven’t seen anything at all that points to Becky using Ginger. If the twist comes, it’ll very much come out of the blue.

Becky’s story so far has been a pretty classic case of specifically religious gay panic and the back and forth that comes with it. If anything, until yesterday’s ep, it really felt like she was way more into Ginger than vice versa?

The thing is, there’s nothing really to be gained by trying anything with Ginger? Staying married to Evan gave her much more and for all she knew, Ginger wasn’t into any kind of monogamous relationship. But she’s literally just asked for a divorce anyway, and being very hot/cold with Ginger. If that’s a scheme, she’s a true mastermind. Plus, we’ve seen scenes without Ginger, not just the recap mentions but like when she went to Paul in ep 1×06, that wasn’t for Ginger’s benefit. So far she seems pretty sincere to me in everything we’ve seen of her.