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My main problem with Dickinson is that it invents a hetero relationship for her that has no basis in reality. We know from her letters that she loved women but the show just shoves the straight romance into the last half of the series. She considered that guy a teacher in real life, not a boyfriend.

And another anon(?):

What’s so weird about the Dickinson show is that they gave Emily a het romance….when it’s pretty well known that the real life Emily had no such thing. Did I expect two girls to fall in love in the 1800s and for that to be considered okay? But damn I got like backwards blue balls watching this series. It’s like they wanted us to long for Sue and Emily but didn’t tease it super well, so at the end it seems like Sue is happy she married Austin.

Damn, I guess that’s the danger of poetic license going a certain way. If the show had made it gayer than what’s known for a fact, we’d celebrate it, but because of context, the other way around is, while still up to how people interpret things, going to be viewed unfavorably. 

I haven’t seen it yet but

if that actually is the case, it’s pretty sad to see degaying over the years. Even a century later, Whitney, and now this show made on the brink of 2020. I’ve heard some people did enjoy it even on a f/f level, though, so maybe it depends on what you take from it?

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I thought you were talking about Isobel Evans for an embarassingly long time…

Lol, the Izzie and Evan talk leading you to odd places! That’s like me and that one post saying how ridiculous it was that anybody would get off a plan to Paris for Ross Geller, and I always skim it and think wait, what about Paris Geller now? 

To cap off this comedy off errors, I googled Isobel Evans and when Google said she’d been played by Katherine Heigl, I was like…Izzie, Heigl, is this Grey’s Anatomy? Despite all the related links and pics being from Roswell, d’oh.

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“You know, I’ve seen some people say they find it harder to root for the f/f ship when the guy is this nice” I feel like people who really thirst for femslash content are always pigeonholed into just being about diversity. You have to be like I really love this couple that HAPPENS to be two women not to get flak if the male character chill. Even without the cheating bit,f/f couples get held at a higher standard just to be empathize with.

Hmmmm, that’s an interesting point. But saying the opposite, that you like a ship because it’s two women (although as you know, it’s never just that, that’s the start of a whole bunch of requirements that have to be checked to be into something–and look at how I’m justifying it even here, lol) also gets dismissed. That’s why people try to say it’s not just about two women in the first place.

People act like fandom culture’s changed recently with how diversity is used as a tool to bludgeon others into forcing your ship’s superiority, but ship wars have been a thing for a long time, this is just another tool to win them, and one that was seen as a disadvantage not too long ago. Or even now, when you have f/f relationships or m/f relationships involving POC in mainstream media, there’s a backlash. It’s pretty understandable that people try to counter that and try to justify their ship. But of course it gets messy, and the original ship war culture where it can’t just be defending a ship but putting down others distorts it. So then it becomes about how if you don’t ship something, you’re against the very thing it offers, e.g. homophobic for not shipping this f/f couple, racist for not shipping this other couple, which is of course going too far to win a ship war. BUT sometimes people who hate a ship ARE homophobic or racist! The very roots of where we are now are so convoluted and messy, there’s no easy platitude where it’s like, oh, you should just ship and let ship. I mean, as a personal approach, that is mine, but it’s only so easy for me because other people have already fought for so much.

But going back to your point, we’re already aware of the hate f/f ships get for existing, and then if there’s cheating it’s worse, and then if it’s cheating where the guy is nice, well, the perception and external gaze we’re always of seems that much worse. I don’t know if that’s what it was for the people who I saw say that, probably not, they may just be thinking, this guy’s so nice, but it’s hard to keep all those other elements out, they’re such a part of us.

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You know what I need? Izzie’s backstory. To know more about her home life and her mother and just… well… Izzie in general lol I want to actually know why she’s messy™️

Definitely! I was talking to a friend about this season and she mentioned being surprised at how much of a separate arc Paige got, I think if there’s a season 4, Izzie’s family storyline is being set up to offer something similar. It’d probably go hand in hand with them getting serious about college and running, with things like UCLA possibly only interested in Casey offering some good conflict.

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I’m glad you liked the character. There’s so many black ash about Connor and a Latina been the “main” character. I trust in your opinions about it. It’s hard for Natalia but I like her since she started in our country. I’m going with hope to see this movie. I don’t care that much over the franchise but is the first Colombian that got a role this big for a franchise like this; and I really hope people like it

Ugh, I know, the backlash has been so disappointing and frustrating. I can’t believe it’s still a thing at all, let alone this strong. It’s just not fair??? All these extra obstacles for certain people.

Same anon, later that day:

I love it! Dani and Grace are amazing. The action moments where nice(car factory fight); Diego Luna a great villain. Sara amazing as usual but Dani is the boss. You’re right I was gonna be proud

Yay! I loved the action scenes, Grace was just so awesome, but yes, Dani was the star. 🙂 I can’t wait for the bluray, I have so much to rewatch.

Several asks with spoilers under the cut:

And another anon:

MORE TDF SPOILERS: I’m not sure we have to worry about Dani. Since, like you said, she knew adult Grace BEFORE young Grace, if she even has a small inkling towards liking women, I’m pretty sure her first thought (before knowing the backstory) wasn’t “OH LOOK A BABY I WANNA BE HER MOM”. Dani is all of us: her first thought was “HOLY SHIT SHE’S HOT”. The only mother-daughter dynamic I see is Sarah-Dani. Also I think Dani kind of “adopted” Grace in the future cause she was thankful of her sacrifice

(same anon). On another note, do you think Mackenzie is coming back if they do make related sequels? If so, how do you think they’re going to do it? I’m pretty sure one way to keep Grace alive would be to give her two cores instead of one, so that when she sacrifices herself she can “turn herself on” again. Even though the end hints at them wanting to stop it, I just wish they’d let JD happen, mostly because if they do stop Legion, then it’s just T2 all over again, with Dani instead of John.

Oh, for sure, when Dani first sees future-Grace in the present, all she’s seeing is a hot lady (incidentally some years older than her here) devoted to protecting her. But aside from this, in the future, she’d know Grace for some years when she’s an…older teen? It’s really easy to write around as a fic writer, but it is something to be aware of.

I honestly don’t know if we will get more sequels, the box office isn’t doing so hot. I basically want whatever Linda Hamilton wants, she is truly the person who I feel has the best idea of what’s good for this role, because it really is the story of Sarah Connor more than anything else. I don’t know if Mackenzie is willing to come back for it, it seems a punishing role and something more experimental for her than her than part of any particular ambition, but I’d definitely hope she does. If this becomes a new series, Grace is an integral part of it. 

I get what you mean about the story repeating but I can’t imagine them not trying to stop something that catastrophic just because it’s inconvenient for the story, heh. The difference here might be that they don’t succeed? I mean, this was basically T1, so I don’t think they’re too afraid of repeating elements. It’s just going to be different because now it’s like they have two Sarahs and even Grace is going to be more helpful than the T-800 and well, it’s an entirely different time, in terms of tech. I’d also love to see it because it’s the US Border Patrol that took her pics and X-Rays, so there’s a possibility Judgment Day now basically stems from the US immigration policy and the fight will have to be against the US government. I kind of wish this movie took more of a stance, even though what it did was more than usual (which speaks to how terrible the “usual” is).

And another anon:

I was sad when they showed the truth about Dani/Grace. But I totally think that somehow Grace had a crush for Dani in the process. At least they weren’t related. And well both can kick ass and that’s enough for me

Heh, yeah, lol, us trying to figure out just how the dynamics could work–and they very much could. But it requires a bit more from us than, say, Deb/Lou in Ocean’s 8. If the epilogue is just a little bit after the events of the movie, then isn’t Dani like 7-10 years older than Grace? I can’t really tell how old either of them are, but Dani’s supposed to be like 18-20, right? And Grace looks like…I dunno, 10-12? I can’t judge ages at all. D: I don’t even know how old older Grace is supposed to be. It’s also worth pointing out that if the apocalypse IS stopped, resistance leader Dani will never have to “adopt” teen Grace.

And another anon:

How’d you square with Terminator: Dark Fate’s intentional downplaying of Dani and Grace’s relationship? Shipping aside bc that would have taken an actual miracle to happen, the final version of the film was edited and scene-swapped to airbrush their interactions, but for what reason if they weren’t going to go all the way with it anyway? I heard the future-Dani young-Grace scenes were shot afterwards, so no wonder it felt a little hamfisted (their whole “you raised me” deal, not Dani’s destiny)

I hadn’t heard anything about that future-Dani young-Grace scene but then it must have been replacing a different storyline, because they needed some kind of reveal for their future dynamic? 

I didn’t like the downplaying at all! I can only imagine they thought even the non-canon subtext they had was too much already? Which is stupid and honestly, I think it was worse for the movie. They’re the core relationship of the movie, like Sarah-Reese, and those moments were supposed to be about Dani and Grace relating on a human level in the present, away from the future and their eventual roles in it, and they just…decided to remove them? I mean, what we had was still good because they’re both such fundamentally likable people and we did believe in their bond while, you know, fighting for their lives, but those moments (especially the shoulder touch??) could have added so much!

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it’s not just that emily and sue don’t end up together it’s that once she meets her het romance she completely forgets about her feelings for susie until SPOILER he dies and by then it’s too late and the ending high key sucked. I didn’t expect them to be endgame or anything because obviously that’s not true to life but idk just the way it was handled made it come off as them adding their relationship in the first half of the show just so they can get brownie points for doing so

Oh, man, it definitely is not fun when you can tell what the writers were prioritizing (or weren’t, as the case seems to be), it makes for some disjointed character behavior. If that’s how it came across here, that’s pretty disappointing.