Update: Delle seyah and Dutch kissed and I love them. But now Delle seyah murdered pawter in cold blood and I hate her??? She is actually like full out evil??? She’s definitely a character I’d abhor at this point in time and I’m not sure if she actually ever is redeemed or just keeps being an evil murder queen whose intentions eventually line up w Dutch & co’s… but I’m shocked that she got a happy ending after this evil shit lol. Like wow. Way for the writers to break byg all things considered

Yeahhh. So you’ve arrived there. Yeah, she’s FULL evil. I totally understand what you mean about hating her, I very predictably tend to go for the nice, boring, responsible good characters, always. Superman, Cap, Amy Santiago, hell, Elizabeth was my favorite Wakefield twin! I was never the type of person who’d be like, oh, these queer-coded villains are my thing. 

But I don’t know why, Delle Seyah somehow is my Exception. I’ve actually wondered about this for a while, what makes her different. It’s not because she’s queer or a WOC, that doesn’t sway me automatically. I’ve been discussing it with a like-minded friend and we have some theories:

First, I’m still easily led by the narrative, I’ll go where it wants me to. And it’s the show that seems to still like her. Dutch, the lead, never stopped being my actual fave and if Delle Seyah had seriously gone against her, I’d side with Dutch, but the show doesn’t ever really make me choose. Yeah, season 3 has a whole building war with them on opposite sides but the fact that they give us that much of Delle Seyah’s point of view and sympathetically, that’s not trying to get us to hate her.

Secondly, Delle Seyah’s actions are shown to be exactly as bad and hurtful as they are. She’s set up in contrast to the good guy leads who care about feelings and not hurting people and the greater good and helping strangers and all that. In a setting like this, I need that. OUAT always had a lot of trouble with this, they wanted the cartoon villain with no nuance and then also a sob story to justify them but ended up being so messy. A lot of other media does that too, like The 100 with that massacre in mid-season 3. In an effort to shock the audience with atrocities and then continue without dealing with the fallout, they minimize what happened. But we know what Delle Seyah did was bad and Johnny continues to remember it, as he should! Even when she’s included with the others because of aligned motives, we never forget who and what she is.

And then, you have to remember, watching this in real time, we had years to process all this. The wait between season 2 and 3, 10 months. And we never thought she’d survive. You’re watching now knowing she got her happy ending, imagine thinking at any point for three seasons that she could die. Possibly more likelihood of a death near the season finale because of how TV works, but you know how it is with f/f characters, and a villainous QWOC at that? Surviving every ep was a victory. We never thought she was getting away with anything in the long run.

And lastly, nobody on the show is perfect. Everyone’s done crappy things. It’s far more about trying to do better and be better and that’s kind of…enough? There’s no line crossed that people can’t come back from. People don’t have to suffer the same amount of pain they caused to continue to exist freely and do better from now on.

It’s not redemption through punishment. 

It’s a little hard to talk about more than three seasons’ worth of plot without spoiling too much, but she does go through her growth. To the point of being an actual good person, well, not really. There is some suffering in there, she does go through some things, but nothing that’d make up for full on murdering a character. She just begins to care about more than herself. And that seems to be enough. The people who die in this show don’t do so because they deserved it, it isn’t to redeem themselves. As long as you’re alive you can do better and once the other characters are okay with that, we are too.

Omggg Dutch categorizing their relationship as “hate flirting.” TBH the writers haaaaad to do Delle seyah/aneela Bc this shit is BLATANT & I for one woulda been pissed if I’d been an ongoing viewer and they kept teasing me like this w no follow thru lol. Delle seyah on the verge of passing out & Dutch telling her not to fantasize about this later Bc she was half carrying her omfg they’re cute I hate that I ship this lol

Oh, THAT ep. Oof, yep, they have a few eps that are extra shippy and that was the final one. And probably the most explicitly so. 

For real, it was getting to be on the verge of genuinely promising something. Obviously many shows have gone farther and then ultimately done less, but I guess they were just like, why not? I might be misremembering, but I think I read that Aneela was always planned (it was Delle Seyah who stayed longer than intended by being that watchable), so they just decided to take advantage of their chemistry and put them together in at least this form? 

Which was super weird because Aneela is SO MUCH not Dutch. Dutch has a sense of humor, warmth, she’s savvy. Aneela…might have a sense of humor and be savvy, heh, but not like Dutch. I joked with my friend that Aneela is Helena to Duch’s Sarah Manning but she’s also…Rachel? Though maybe their massive differences made it easier to accept the substitution? 

I just deleted a bunch of stuff that was probably unnecessarily spoilery, even though I assume you know the gist of the following seasons. Let me know how the watching goes!