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September 4, 2019

I want to get excited about Dani x grace potentially happening (which my gay brain still can’t believe that it will lol in such a big blockbuster and no talk about it??) but grace is the Kyle Reese replacement so theres like a 95% chance she’s dying lol

Haha, yeah, it is a bit lose-lose here, right. Though, I have heard that spec as well, but isn’t it hoped to be the start of a new trilogy? I don’t think this time they’d be as willing to get rid of one of their stars right off the bat? But given the genre and just the way modern media conveys high stakes, we all expect one of the good guys to die. I’ve seen spec or rumors about all of the helpers, Grace, Sarah Connor, and Arnie. I always hope it’s not going to be any of them and in fact would be super sad at losing the Sarah Connor, so I’m just worried in general. Whoops.

And another anon:

Why cast the actor of one of the most recognizable gay icons of the last few years if they didn’t want it to be gay (or have a wlw following)? Also, the two scenes you posted in the response to my rambling are both in the RedBand trailer if I’m correct. Because maybe it is gay! This IS the sort of movie who could break through. It’s R rated so no backlash from families, San Junipero was loved by basically everyone except hardcore homophobes, it wants to scare misogynistic trolls! It’d be perfect

Okay, I’ll grant San Junipero is well known for its f/f but I don’t know if I’d call her a recognizable gay icon. Or ascribe any of those motivations to the casting people… I mean, they cast her in Tully where there was also some obvious subtext and look what happened there.

It WOULD be perfect, for all those reasons, and yet. Clearly you’re not convinced yourself:

Same anon:

[cont.] Everything about the production screams gay, but if they actually did it they’d pat themselves on the back so hard they’d spit their own bullshit. BUT maybe they don’t want to spoil or scare off potential audiences by promoting the gay romance? OR they actually want it to be a surprise to thank all the wlw who kept renting at Blockbusters T2 in the 90s just for Linda’s biceps? Who knows. Grace is probably Dani’s adopted daughter from the future. Ugh.

Hahaha, yeah, if only they made this as a gift to all wlw. I mean, it looks like a goddamn gift right now. Honestly, I’m surprised there isn’t a ton of fic already? What are people waiting for? Once they get momzoned it’s all gonna dry up.

September 3, 2019

Grace is a cyborg. The Cyberdyne systems T models, while also cyborgs, are machines. Grace is not a machine.

Oh, okay, so cyborg is the overlap, machine vs human is the ends of the spectrum, as it were?

September 3, 2019

I’ve been shifting between “yes! They’re going to go there! It’s Tim Miller! And it looks so gay!” to “they’re gonna make them related even though one is a 5 feet tall latina and the other is a 7 feet tall caucasian”. I just can’t make up my mind, because how cool would it be if the f/f romance were the central one, BUT with no promotion, no patting themselves on the back? How groundbreaking to be treated as normal? But at the same time I’m like, this is Hollywood. They’re not going there.

Hahaha, that description. But yes, I feel exactly the same way! The way it looks, it’s so romance-coded. NOBODY gets to this scene and doesn’t at least raise an eyebrow:

It’s not just Grace physically protecting Dani, it’s Dani open to that and caring about Grace in turn and trusting her and falling asleep on her! The moment of connection with the shoulder touch!

Like! What are we meant to feel about what they’re going through? It has to be something, right?? But if they went there, it’d be leapfrogging over all kinds of steps we’ve made in representation, look at Disney getting all kinds of articles for background characters. If a Terminator movie went there, we’d know. Right? We’d know.

Same anon:

[same anon] As for the ship name, I think a few months back I saw Gramos or Drace as portmanteaus. As for a combination of who they are we gotta know more, I agree. Because like EnhancedSaviour would be nice, but maybe these “cyborgs” have an in-universe name and Dani is not the actual saviour. Anyway, I’m rambling… I’m just so excited!

Oh, don’t love those portmanteaus. Maybe we’ll know a bit more them and their roles soon? Yeah, not necessarily going to be Terminators or mother of all destiny but something. Or we might get Grace’s last name.

September 2, 2019

what’s the difference between a cyborg and an enhanced human in this case?

In this case? Well, that’s a good question. In some respects they end up being the same and I guess if Grace were a cyborg, we’d still end up assuming free will and choice and emotions, like we kind of did for Cameron in The Sarah Connor Chronicles. But that would be a huge part of Grace’s identity, are cyborgs capable of all that, do the humans accept that they do, is there a point where they evolved to have that and didn’t before? So the big difference is that none of that debate is relevant now (although I did find it super interesting in TSCC).

But everything else, cyborgs are probably way stronger and effective fighting machines but different models of cyborgs have that same disparity. Cyborgs are programmed, and crucially, can be reprogrammed, but humans can be brainwashed so, same difference. Honestly, strength and loyalty aside, it really does come back to how other people treat them. As a human, Grace is “one of them” in a way she wouldn’t be as a cyborg.