Not here for people who wanna be all “But Nicole wanted to leave!!!!”
Uh, yeah, let’s not pretend that Fox, the show runners, and the writers didn’t drive her away with their constant disrespect.
THIS
the showrunners treated her horribly, sidelined her character, left her out of press things like the dvd commentary as if she wasn’t a lead, and she had every right to go rather than continue to deal with their mistreatment of her and her character
her choice to leave shouldn’t reduce the responsibility of the showrunners for the way they behaved one iota
Look at that. What, they didn’t realize they accidentally unfollowed THE STAR?
the reason this one feels different is because abbie had one trait that none of the others had. she was the hero of the story.
even if you don’t think there’s a vile strain of homophobia running through the industry at the moment, whether or not you believe women of color are woefully underrepresented on tv, no matter what your feelings about about misogyny as a motivator for people’s actions, you cannot deny a crap load of women have died on tv lately.
but abbie’s different, because she was the hero of the story and the story ends when the hero dies.
and for a show to kill its hero and go on without her, what they’re really telling people is she was never really the hero. it literally doesn’t matter why they did it. it just does. not. matter. because they’ve told us now that in the story they’re telling, abbie was so unimportant that they could do without her.
the reason this one feels different is because abbie had one trait that none of the others had. she was the hero of the story.
even if you don’t think there’s a vile strain of homophobia running through the industry at the moment, whether or not you believe women of color are woefully underrepresented on tv, no matter what your feelings about about misogyny as a motivator for people’s actions, you cannot deny a crap load of women have died on tv lately.
but abbie’s different, because she was the hero of the story and the story ends when the hero dies.
and for a show to kill its hero and go on without her, what they’re really telling people is she was never really the hero. it literally doesn’t matter why they did it. it just does. not. matter. because they’ve told us now that in the story they’re telling, abbie was so unimportant that they could do without her.
You know, I can’t help but think about the framing of things, comparing the 100 and Underground. I’m not going to post pictures because it’s triggering as fuck, but my goodness, the differences between the framing of Adina Porter’s character, Pearly Mae, and Ricky Whittle’s character, Lincoln.
Two black characters, on their knees, looking down the barrel of a gun, sacrificing themselves for the people they love as said loved ones looking on from afar.
And yet on Underground, Pearly Mae’s hands are up and she’s begging the white man not to kill her in front of her daughter. Adina pointed out that it was deliberately positioned with hands up as a homage to Ferguson. There is nobility there, but there is such an awareness of how their show fits into the current cultural landscape. Chris Meloni’s slave catcher character pauses, and there’s conflict on his face, because his own kid is watching not just Pearly Mae’s family, and something in him stops him from pulling the trigger in front of his audience. The horror is underscored by his reluctance and we don’t need to see the violence here to get the message.
Meanwhile, over on the 100, not only are they having another black man holding the gun, feeding into the Black on Black trope despite the fact that Pike is supposed to be an allegory of post 9/11 bigotry against Muslims (which ???? but whatever) – the show deliberately sensationalizes Lincoln’s death. His hands are shackled, the gun goes off, everything is in slow motion, in graphic detail, and his body is filmed from above, splayed out, bleeding out in the mud from his head.
Did we need to see that? Why not just cut to Octavia’s horrified reaction? Why did we need to see that level of detail? Do they not realize how harmful that image is, of a helpless (PEACEFUL) black man on his knees being shot execution style by an authority figure? In the world we live in, THAT is the image they decided to go with. And multiple people signed off on that- from the director to the showrunner to the studios.
I just…
It baffles me how tone deaf this show is when it comes to how they think they can just film things this way and think it’s okay for KIDS to watch. Do they think we need this in our society?
THEIR RACISM KEEPS ON SHOWING AND THEY THINK IT’S OKAY JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIVERSE CAST?????
MEDIA DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM. HOW YOU FRAME THINGS VISUALLY MATTERS. WHAT YOU WRITE MATTERS.
How many times do we have to say it? How many foreheads do I have to staple it to before they will finally get the message?
To everyone who does not understand why Lincoln’s death is a “social justice issue”. We expected Lincoln to die, we were prepared for it even, because Ricky gave us so many hints it was kind of a given.
It is the way he died in a time when black men are being killed left and right in very similar ways. It was the fact that it was so graphic. It does not matter that it was “honorable”. Lincoln dying defending Octavia would have been honorable.
There is a visceral reaction to seeing a black man, shot in the head, while chained, kneeling in mud, that you can only truly understand if you are black. It is a call back to the Slave days, the Civil Rights Era and even worse a call back to today. To Jordan Dunn, just listening to his music, Mike Brown with his hands up, Trayvon Martin, walking home with his tea and skittles, Freddie Gray in the back of a police van and Jamar Clarke, who was just trying to get help for his girlfriend.
Please stop telling minorities who are reacting to things that actually affect them in real life that the way they react is wrong. Please do not ignore our feelings and our words.
You know, I can’t help but think about the framing of things, comparing the 100 and Underground. I’m not going to post pictures because it’s triggering as fuck, but my goodness, the differences between the framing of Adina Porter’s character, Pearly Mae, and Ricky Whittle’s character, Lincoln.
Two black characters, on their knees, looking down the barrel of a gun, sacrificing themselves for the people they love as said loved ones looking on from afar.
And yet on Underground, Pearly Mae’s hands are up and she’s begging the white man not to kill her in front of her daughter. Adina pointed out that it was deliberately positioned with hands up as a homage to Ferguson. There is nobility there, but there is such an awareness of how their show fits into the current cultural landscape. Chris Meloni’s slave catcher character pauses, and there’s conflict on his face, because his own kid is watching not just Pearly Mae’s family, and something in him stops him from pulling the trigger in front of his audience. The horror is underscored by his reluctance and we don’t need to see the violence here to get the message.
Meanwhile, over on the 100, not only are they having another black man holding the gun, feeding into the Black on Black trope despite the fact that Pike is supposed to be an allegory of post 9/11 bigotry against Muslims (which ???? but whatever) – the show deliberately sensationalizes Lincoln’s death. His hands are shackled, the gun goes off, everything is in slow motion, in graphic detail, and his body is filmed from above, splayed out, bleeding out in the mud from his head.
Did we need to see that? Why not just cut to Octavia’s horrified reaction? Why did we need to see that level of detail? Do they not realize how harmful that image is, of a helpless (PEACEFUL) black man on his knees being shot execution style by an authority figure? In the world we live in, THAT is the image they decided to go with. And multiple people signed off on that- from the director to the showrunner to the studios.
I just…
It baffles me how tone deaf this show is when it comes to how they think they can just film things this way and think it’s okay for KIDS to watch. Do they think we need this in our society?
THEIR RACISM KEEPS ON SHOWING AND THEY THINK IT’S OKAY JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIVERSE CAST?????
MEDIA DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM. HOW YOU FRAME THINGS VISUALLY MATTERS. WHAT YOU WRITE MATTERS.
How many times do we have to say it? How many foreheads do I have to staple it to before they will finally get the message?
To everyone who does not understand why Lincoln’s death is a “social justice issue”. We expected Lincoln to die, we were prepared for it even, because Ricky gave us so many hints it was kind of a given.
It is the way he died in a time when black men are being killed left and right in very similar ways. It was the fact that it was so graphic. It does not matter that it was “honorable”. Lincoln dying defending Octavia would have been honorable.
There is a visceral reaction to seeing a black man, shot in the head, while chained, kneeling in mud, that you can only truly understand if you are black. It is a call back to the Slave days, the Civil Rights Era and even worse a call back to today. To Jordan Dunn, just listening to his music, Mike Brown with his hands up, Trayvon Martin, walking home with his tea and skittles, Freddie Gray in the back of a police van and Jamar Clarke, who was just trying to get help for his girlfriend.
Please stop telling minorities who are reacting to things that actually affect them in real life that the way they react is wrong. Please do not ignore our feelings and our words.
forever done with clever writers saying ‘hey, let’s have the black guy be racist’
mack on agents of shield, pike on the 100, it’s allegorical racism in a world where normal racism doesn’t really apply somehow, so the only visible racism is performed by black men
and the white guys look super enlightened by comparison bc they’re not allegorical racists
anyways why do ppl like this show bc one of the showrunners? last week tweeted that the canon bi girl is going to end up, not with her tragic dead lesbian gf, but the angry white boy who has murdered hundreds of people IN THE LAST FIVE EPISODES
I don’t think Mack was portrayed as racist, or even short sighted or irrational. He was scared and wanted Daisy contained. He didn’t advocate killing her. Further, he is now one of the inhumans greatest supporters.
By your measure, you could call Joyce Summers racist for not immediately accepting Buffy as the slayer, Elena for not accepting Damon and Stefan…Showing characters reacting badly to things they don’t understand is realistic and a sign of a well rounded character.
Now, Pike has taken a very Trump like stance on the grounders and is playing on people’s fears. I can see the frustration here.
mack had a preexisting prejudice against aliens – which he claimed as a rational response to aliens like loki, but when it turned from ‘the worst behaved aliens’ to ‘all aliens by proxy’ that stops being true – and daisy got caught up in it, but he eventually overcame it.
but if you swap hunter for mack and asians for aliens, it’s clearly just racism. mack //was racist against aliens// but then he met a nice one and got over his prejudice. it’s not even subtle.
for comparison, joyce was being allegorically homophobic, like bobby’s mom in x2, all ‘have you tried …not being a mutant?’ the difference between joyce and mack is that mack hated what daisy was, where joyce hated what buffy did.
pike hates grounders, mack hates aliens. mack doesn’t have to want to kill aliens to be racist against them. though jemma did want to! aaaaaall of macks arc could have been on jemma, except they needed to give those traits to someone who can embody them without making the white audience feel bad, so her xenophobia arc was like two episodes where macks was a season and a half.
(Note that Bob Morley, the actor who plays Bellamy, is half Filipino, so as to not derail this convo.)
But yes! This is so annoying. I was putting it down as xenophobia, but allegorical racism, that’s it. It’s like that one weird ass book a while back that tried to portray some white girl as the victim in a “flipped” society, where apparently to make a commentary on race, the persecuted people had to be white and the bad guys Black. I assume they’re trying to make racists see what it’s like by taking away typical dynamics, but they just end up with extremely unsympathetic Black characters, so…? How would that be convincing racists? That’s how they see the world anyway. And it’s usually with white characters there to call them out, too, so it’s just bad all around.
forever done with clever writers saying ‘hey, let’s have the black guy be racist’
mack on agents of shield, pike on the 100, it’s allegorical racism in a world where normal racism doesn’t really apply somehow, so the only visible racism is performed by black men
and the white guys look super enlightened by comparison bc they’re not allegorical racists
anyways why do ppl like this show bc one of the showrunners? last week tweeted that the canon bi girl is going to end up, not with her tragic dead lesbian gf, but the angry white boy who has murdered hundreds of people IN THE LAST FIVE EPISODES
I don’t think Mack was portrayed as racist, or even short sighted or irrational. He was scared and wanted Daisy contained. He didn’t advocate killing her. Further, he is now one of the inhumans greatest supporters.
By your measure, you could call Joyce Summers racist for not immediately accepting Buffy as the slayer, Elena for not accepting Damon and Stefan…Showing characters reacting badly to things they don’t understand is realistic and a sign of a well rounded character.
Now, Pike has taken a very Trump like stance on the grounders and is playing on people’s fears. I can see the frustration here.
mack had a preexisting prejudice against aliens – which he claimed as a rational response to aliens like loki, but when it turned from ‘the worst behaved aliens’ to ‘all aliens by proxy’ that stops being true – and daisy got caught up in it, but he eventually overcame it.
but if you swap hunter for mack and asians for aliens, it’s clearly just racism. mack //was racist against aliens// but then he met a nice one and got over his prejudice. it’s not even subtle.
for comparison, joyce was being allegorically homophobic, like bobby’s mom in x2, all ‘have you tried …not being a mutant?’ the difference between joyce and mack is that mack hated what daisy was, where joyce hated what buffy did.
pike hates grounders, mack hates aliens. mack doesn’t have to want to kill aliens to be racist against them. though jemma did want to! aaaaaall of macks arc could have been on jemma, except they needed to give those traits to someone who can embody them without making the white audience feel bad, so her xenophobia arc was like two episodes where macks was a season and a half.
(Note that Bob Morley, the actor who plays Bellamy, is half Filipino, so as to not derail this convo.)
But yes! This is so annoying. I was putting it down as xenophobia, but allegorical racism, that’s it. It’s like that one weird ass book a while back that tried to portray some white girl as the victim in a “flipped” society, where apparently to make a commentary on race, the persecuted people had to be white and the bad guys Black. I assume they’re trying to make racists see what it’s like by taking away typical dynamics, but they just end up with extremely unsympathetic Black characters, so…? How would that be convincing racists? That’s how they see the world anyway. And it’s usually with white characters there to call them out, too, so it’s just bad all around.
