It really bothered me that when Lupe was ranting at Juls after finding out about her and Val she said that Juls got distracted by Val’s wealth and flashy things. Im guessing she was trying to rationalize herself into thinking that her daughter couldn’t possibly be into women, but she insinuated that her daughter was a gold digger and just: who DOES that? I hope when she comes around she apologizes for that too. (You can post this)
Mhmm, even at its kindest, to think oh my daughter was just dazzled by all these superficial things, it was implying Juls was so shallow, and like, really? She thinks Juliana Valdes is that shallow? And she’s met Valentina, who has been so gracious and so nice to her. To not know her daughter to that extent, wth.
You’re right, it was most likely the homophobia trying to rationalize things, but that really does not make it better. And the gall, after her choice in romantic partners. Juls has put up with so much because of some really poor decisions made by Lupe, including her sticking with Chino, her ACTUALLY morally incorrect decision to chase after and defend a literal killer of human beings. But it’s Juls who’s wrong and indecent here. Pfft.
I know a lot of people are praising panchito for supporting juls and that’s great! But like… isn’t he still married and cheating on his wife? Or am I missing something?
Well, it being a telenovela, the cheating just isn’t that big a thing, if people are even following that part of his story, I would guess there’s some tunnel vision toward characters and how they interact with Juliantina. And, well, the two things can be separate. It is a good thing to not be homophobic, whatever else.
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Mmm…what Lupe did was awful, but can you believe how accurate her reaction was to this?
The writer does deserve a lot of credit for getting so much of the dialogue so spot on, realistic and in a way that agrees with Lupe’s previous characterization of really loving Juls and thinking this comes from a place of protective love, while also showing how flat out wrong she is. It is different from Eva, who’s very much about the family name and reputation. Which brings me to…
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I think it’s interesting how we assumed Lupe would be a /little/ more accepting of Juls/Val given how they’ve presented their bond. If anything, Eva’s reaction was slightly better?? She did voice her ‘support’ (I use the term loosely) for sexual diversity in society, she only really gives a shit about it becoming scandalous for her family. Although she’s hurtful, Lupe’s words towards Juls were unbearably personal, and scary. Praying for those who have to face such treatment from loved ones.
It is interesting, isn’t it, we were like, well, she loves her, so much.
The audience would see that too. And yet…here we are.
Actually, I bet there aren’t a few people watching who might agree with her? That a loving parent should try to…help? their child and steer them away from this? Which is why it’s so important that the narrative has consistently shown her to be so wrong, it’s not even funny. If they see themselves in Lupita, they are getting an earful.
I don’t know if you can really qualify her or Eva’s reactions in a way where one is slightly better or less worse. Eva got super vicious in there too, remember, about ending alone, about how their parents would react. And in a way, isn’t it as bad to say, I’m fine with it in others but not you? Not my sister? I wouldn’t say Val felt particularly cheered by that general support for other gays, lol.
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i am in no way defending lupe– she’s definitely homophobic– but i do think that some of it comes from a genuine fear for Juliana. she spoke a lot about what this will mean for her in society and how they will treat her and that Juls has gone through too much already with El Chino as her father. i hope that her love for Juliana and desire to protect will eventually turn into her supporting them
Like I said above, I do agree that it’s from a protective place, but–actually, I think you sent this before last night’s ep, when she straight up call it indecent. And I mean, she’s the one who kept Chino in their lives… Still, I think she will come around.
That Lupe scene, I’m not even mad, just really really sad. Cuz that’s probably how my parents will react if I ever come out.
I really get that, anon. But at least in this case, Lupe will come around, I think she definitely will. And that’s always a possibility with your parents, plus, simply seeing this on screen play out will affect so many parents like yours. That’s gotta be something.
Hi, I’m new here. To the Juliantina ship that is, but almost all caught up with the novela. Quick question, is it just me or does Lupita know without having to be told? Like you can sort of tell by her reactions that she knows something’s going on between Val & Juls but then tries to brush it off?
Hey buddy, welcome! 🙂
It feels like she does know? But that would make the way she handled Juls’s attitude after the fight with Val even crueler? “Oh, I knew this’d happen, you’re from different worlds” and all that. Like?? Well, maybe she thought it’d be kinder to minimize it. i don’t know, it really feels like she knows at some points, that she doesn’t even mind at others, and then seems kind of clueless or trying to will it into being something else.
1/2 when i came out to my single brazilian chatolic mother, she was fine with it. she was okay with me being myself and being happy, even with the religious background. i was about to move to europe at the time, and when i asked her if she would come visit me, and be okay to meet any potential girlfriends there, she said yes. she seemed very happy with me leaving though, which made me sad. i was thinking maybe it was because she wanted to get rid of me, but couldnt kick me out
2/2 one day, i found her crying in the living room. i asked why, and she said a friend had told her about this guy who got beaten up for being gay. and then she said, this is why she was happy i was leaving soon. she was ok with me being gay, just not in our small city, because she feared for me. like any mother she just wanted me safe and healthy. i think i see a lot of my mom in lupe, i’d be in character with them being in the run, not wanting even more reasons for juliana to be targeted
Ah, that’s heavy, anon. Sorry you two had to go through that and thanks for sharing a personal story.
I think you could be right. Lupe’s been shown to be so loving and they really are having a tough time, that might be her approach to it.
The interesting thing about this show approaching this from such a fresh and thorough perspective is that they’re showing a lot of things UK/US media doesn’t much include anymore. Outright disgust, “I’m fine with it as long as it’s not my family”, “she’s had boyfriends, she can’t be gay”, “you’re confused, it’s a phase”, and now like you said, possibly “I’m not homophobic, I’m worried for you”, which is of course still not something wants to hear when in that vulnerable place, as if we ourselves aren’t aware it’s dangerous.
Sorry where in the show do they say Juliana is 18?
Yesterday’s ep, Lupe for some reason, while effectively in witsec conditions, decided to tell Johnny everything about her family, including Juliana’s age.