Yepppppp. I get they needed someone non-threatening and easy to dump at the end of it all but…him? Anyway, he’s on not that much in s1 but he starts appearing more. Hopefully not so for s3. >_>
Wait so did Ivy finally dump kite man and did she not go thru w the wedding? I’ve been waiting to watch Bc I don’t trust the writers lol. And for some reason kite man seems to be popular with ppl which makes no sense to me Bc he was a total dick in the ep I watched.
Well. Well! She– Hmm. Okay. Soooo…no? Heh. HE realized how much she didn’t want to marry him and dumped her and left. >_>
I’m of two minds about it, tbh, because on the one hand, yes, it is absolutely clear to everyone, including the audience, that Ivy loves Harley, so if he left because she didn’t love him or HE left because she didn’t love him, same difference. But on the other hand, there was a TON of him and there’s just BEEN so much of him, and exactly as you said, people seem to love him and I don’t know if the writers get that when it comes to female characters, it doesn’t even matter if they’re the leads, people will jump at any chance to center men. So even though I don’t think they like, sidelined Harley or Ivy for him, you gotta just expect a certain reaction and account for it. Aside from the actual plot point of it still being nice if Ivy made the decision.
But like, to be very precise in this, it’s not that the disappointment I have for this ep is deep, I’m just working through having any at all. I’m mostly venting because I think they could have just so easily made different and better choices, or ones I preferred, anyway. I wouldn’t at all dissuade people from watching, especially the whole show.
Sorry didn’t mean for it to sound like I overly cared about Kite Man (though being cheated on does suck), but I moreso want that narrative because then he will also acknowledge he projected to kinda force this relationship cause he thought Ivy was “cool” and “out of his league” so he just tried to make his “dream girl” work even though they just don’t truly GET each other. Kinda like a 500 Days of Summer thing (though I will say I think Tom in that movie was a bigger douche canoe than Kite guy)
Oh, I didn’t think you were, I just grabbed that opportunity to get out some my frustration that’d been piling up. I’m usually ready to be guided by whatever narrative the writers are pushing EXCEPT when it comes to white Nice Guys. I feel like…they already get too much of a pass in general and that translates to laziness and complacency in writing them in media, their development and growth is so shallow compared to what other characters go through. And KM’s no exception. For example, I actually don’t mind Psycho, because he’s treated by the writing exactly as he is, this misogynistic POS, but every time I see people praising KM and talking about how nice he is, I’m like, where.
Although, I gotta say, the more the show’s like, he’s just there because Ivy’s too scared to choose Harley, the less I care either way about him. The way you think he might also have his own realization works for me, especially since they focused so much on how Harley gets Ivy while the ring he wanted so badly for her she didn’t even like. This might be the best way to get out of this wedding with none of the characters hurt too badly.
The old long-winded Harlivy anon again! Just thought I’d come back after this week’s episode since it looks like we were right on the money about Ivy trying to push down her feelings because she’s too scared of being that emotionally vulnerable and risk losing Harley. Dammit if it still didn’t hurt though! Waiting for the next few episodes is gonna be rough.
Hey! You weren’t long-winded at all! And yep, it’s straight up Ivy actually considering it and being like nah, I can’t risk it, you could hurt me TOO deeply.
Heh, just as I was like, only one ask this time, huh, the second one came through:
Also while it does still suck for Kite Man that he’s being cheated on I feel like the show could be leading him up to also realize he and Ivy aren’t a perfect fit based on his convo with King Shark. Hoping they let him find the bimbo to his himbo, which I’d be happy with since it wouldn’t completely screw him over in the show but also for the people who wanted him to be with Ivy just because he’s “nice” realize there was a better fit out there for him too and nice isn’t all that matters.
Oh, I don’t care about him so much, I care less than Ivy does. 😛 She didn’t give a single thought to him after cheating on him TWICE.
I never thought he was particularly nice, like even in the last ep, what stopped him from just making the reservation himself? He could have just namedropped Ivy if her bigger reputation was necessary. One thing that has annoyed me about this is that he has actually never been particularly nice or considerate or attentive, he’s just incredibly dumb and that gets translated to nice. I can’t tell if the writers mean for him to come across as harmless or douchey, but I have a particular media pet peeve toward white men who start off shitty (repeatedly approaching her when she’s turning him away, stealing her pheromones, getting naked into her bed uninvited) and then improve marginally and then that’s like, growth that’s supposed to be praised and I have never warmed to him. He is no Heck. But if they wanna palm him off to somebody so people stop focusing on him in this story, I’m all for that.
I’m starting to suspect the harley animated show is gonna do the same as the comics, have them be in an open relationship, so ivy can still be with kiteman. I have a lot of thoughts on why i dislike that scenario, but was wondering if you think they’re heading that way too?
Oh, huh, you think so? I dunno, this feels kind of linear and deliberate, a specific journey and tropes and obstacles. If that were what they were doing, I don’t know if this would be the route they’d take? Maybe… I’d hate it, if so, lol.