Oh, hmm, hmm. I mean, I do get her hating people in general in the show, although from 2×06 it seems to stem from her parents and not social awkwardness? But still, I think I get what you’re saying. And that DOES make her Harley exception all the more unique.
The only other version of her I really know is Uma Thurman in that one movie and I barely remember it. THAT was definitely different from this one, but also seems to be different from what you’re describing. Maybe I should try some of these comics…
Oh, I didn’t think you were, I just grabbed that opportunity to get out some my frustration that’d been piling up. I’m usually ready to be guided by whatever narrative the writers are pushing EXCEPT when it comes to white Nice Guys. I feel like…they already get too much of a pass in general and that translates to laziness and complacency in writing them in media, their development and growth is so shallow compared to what other characters go through. And KM’s no exception. For example, I actually don’t mind Psycho, because he’s treated by the writing exactly as he is, this misogynistic POS, but every time I see people praising KM and talking about how nice he is, I’m like, where.
Although, I gotta say, the more the show’s like, he’s just there because Ivy’s too scared to choose Harley, the less I care either way about him. The way you think he might also have his own realization works for me, especially since they focused so much on how Harley gets Ivy while the ring he wanted so badly for her she didn’t even like. This might be the best way to get out of this wedding with none of the characters hurt too badly.
Oh, what’s she like in the comics? I mentioned before I know very little about these characters (and actually, for reasons too long to go into, I used to dislike the character of Harley until this show) but I like this Ivy! A lot. I like the dryness, the devotion toward and protectiveness over her best friend, the Mermistaness…lol. My first comparison had been Daria, but yeah, Mermista is pretty spot on. Huh, i really wonder what Ivy as you like her would be like in this show.
And omg, the invisible tech. Those poor birds. They didn’t need an invisible van!
Heh, the writers were really happy about that lobster and that whole sequence, huh. I was wondering what the point of the King Shark story was, but of course it was to highlight Ivy making the “safe” choice and settling for KM instead of her soulmate. <3
Are they saying 5? And not 4? Ohhh. So first it starts because of this:
And this was after their first night, so they have at least one more time from the second night. But tbh, I half thought she was making a joke based on the two-time thing and two-timing, as in, cheating on KM. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Hey! You weren’t long-winded at all! And yep, it’s straight up Ivy actually considering it and being like nah, I can’t risk it, you could hurt me TOO deeply.
Heh, just as I was like, only one ask this time, huh, the second one came through:
Also while it does still suck for Kite Man that he’s being cheated on I feel like the show could be leading him up to also realize he and Ivy aren’t a perfect fit based on his convo with King Shark. Hoping they let him find the bimbo to his himbo, which I’d be happy with since it wouldn’t completely screw him over in the show but also for the people who wanted him to be with Ivy just because he’s “nice” realize there was a better fit out there for him too and nice isn’t all that matters.
Oh, I don’t care about him so much, I care less than Ivy does. 😛 She didn’t give a single thought to him after cheating on him TWICE.
I never thought he was particularly nice, like even in the last ep, what stopped him from just making the reservation himself? He could have just namedropped Ivy if her bigger reputation was necessary. One thing that has annoyed me about this is that he has actually never been particularly nice or considerate or attentive, he’s just incredibly dumb and that gets translated to nice. I can’t tell if the writers mean for him to come across as harmless or douchey, but I have a particular media pet peeve toward white men who start off shitty (repeatedly approaching her when she’s turning him away, stealing her pheromones, getting naked into her bed uninvited) and then improve marginally and then that’s like, growth that’s supposed to be praised and I have never warmed to him. He is no Heck. But if they wanna palm him off to somebody so people stop focusing on him in this story, I’m all for that.
I knowww. Boooooooo. For now! Heh. How long are they gonna play this out? I’m genuinely curious how they’re going to spin this to last till the season finale, presumably, when Harley was this open this early.
And honestly, not really. I check in every once in a while for specific storylines but I seem to always lose interest in DCTV shows eventually. But of course I know Avalance, they seem to be written in such a fun way. 🙂
Yeah, no, I totally get it, that fear where you’ve wanted something for so long and now that it’s almost here, it’ll be ruined in the final steps. And ugh, I can imagine! I really hate when people get praise and the media holds them up when they’ve barely done anything. Sweeps weeks, lol, that’s actually such a good comparison. And I mean, I’m glad I and hopefully the other anon who I just answered were reassuring, but at the same time, keep your guard up. I’d hate to see you sucker punched, like, for me it’s one thing, but I don’t have these years of investment. Just hope for the best, reasonably, logically, I think you’re fine, but…you know.
so I’m sure the thought of having even deeper feelings terrified her which is why she was so quick to want to brush it off. I do think she loves Kite Man (though how she isn’t more annoyed by his occasional “bro-ness” I will always find ooc for her, I don’t see Ivy finding it nearly as endearing as the writers have decided and it does make me cringe a bit). But overall he is a nice, caring guy and deep down I think she knows he does love her more than she loves him. (2/3)
And to Ivy that is the safer option that she wants to cling onto right now, but she won’t be able to fight off her stronger feelings for Harley much longer. If anything I was just hoping they wouldn’t drag the love triangle for the whole rest of the season with a long cheating subplot, but alas that does seem to be what might happen. Also sorry for multiple asks but apparently I had long thoughts on this! (3/3)
Oh! That’s a really great point. Between the two of them, Ivy has so much solely invested in Harley. The show’s emphasized that again and again. In ep 9, when they fought over Harley joining the LOD:
And like, Ivy was right that the LOD sucked and they’d literally told her they were gonna reject Harley, but Harley getting accepted didn’t need to turn into this.
And after Harley bailed on Ivy to go meet up with Joker, from ep 11:
Like, this was part of the whole season 1 finale arc, Ivy being upset at the mere idea of losing Harley.
And then as you said! From this week’s ep:
You’re so right. For someone who’s already so scared of losing Harley as a friend (and the fact that she sets herself up as the alternate to the Joker for Harley’s time and affections and doesn’t even realize), the emotional risk from being in a romantic relationship with all the additional volatility and chance for messiness that comes from it… It’s understandable, why she’d shy away from that.
As for the triangle, yeah, I’d been hoping this ep would be the start of some meaningful change, but they really are gonna drag this out, it looks like. I really wanted to see them together and how that’d affect them in this world we’ve already seen a season and a half of, their relationship with each other and other people except now as romantic partners. It’d be so different from what any other show’s done because they’re just so central, they drive all the plot, and any other time we’ve seen lead characters in f/f relationships that develop on the show, it’s either a very temporary thing over almost as soon as it begins or it happened in literally the series finale. Like, how is each wacky plot of the week gonna be affected by this major change, especially when we have their friendship to contrast it against?
ON the other hand. I do really, really love getting that payoff after an angsty slow burn, like with Atypical, or after the suspense and tension from Killjoys’ last season, and I feel like for this show, I can’t really think of any other way to slow things down and add that suspense aside from a third party? The cheating’s not necessary, of course, that’s on the writers, but like, without him there, there’d be no real reason they wouldn’t just talk this through earlier, there’s not the same societal pressure or homophobia you’d get in other stories. Yes, yes, the fear of being in love with your best friend, but like, Harley in yesterday’s ep would have 100% said something without him there, right. So as much as I hate him, I get his narrative value here and I don’t mind this being drawn out.
Oh, and no worries about the multiple asks! Clearly I have a lot to say about this too!
Damn, that’s a lot of investment! I’d be wary too, hell, I’m wary now. If you hadn’t brought it up, I wouldn’t even have thought that’s where they were going, but I guess there’s always a possibility. Some people might think it’s “more” progressive or just flat out more interesting/edgy/surprising, which, can’t rule out that these writers might want to go there. But–and I may look dumb in a few weeks–it seems odd to play it this way if the end goal is, wait, I can be with both people, like THAT’s the big realization here, you know?
Except for her inexplicable interest in Kite guy, I always see where Ivy’s coming from but in today’s ep I do agree, I expected a bit more introspection from her. But I can also see it as the show not wanting to write her and Harley with the same storyline and approach through this and if she actually stops and thinks about it, either the angst they’re having fun drawing out with Kite douche stops or they’ll make her look a lot worse cheating when she could just put a stop to it.
