Oof, yeah, what a downgrade. But I dunno if we’ll get Victor back, not sure the show has anything they want him back for anytime soon, even Nora was pretty underused aside from the surprise of her appearance.
Just going off the Harlivy anons and wanted to say I wouldn’t be too worried about Ivy! I think her behavior in this episode made sense for her, and it’s not that she isn’t actually in love with her best friend cause homegirl 100% is. But Ivy’s biggest fear is being abandoned, and opening herself up to emotional vulnerability I think is part of that. She already knows Harley means SO much to her, that’s she’s her “ride or die” (1/3)
so I’m sure the thought of having even deeper feelings terrified her which is why she was so quick to want to brush it off. I do think she loves Kite Man (though how she isn’t more annoyed by his occasional “bro-ness” I will always find ooc for her, I don’t see Ivy finding it nearly as endearing as the writers have decided and it does make me cringe a bit). But overall he is a nice, caring guy and deep down I think she knows he does love her more than she loves him. (2/3)
And to Ivy that is the safer option that she wants to cling onto right now, but she won’t be able to fight off her stronger feelings for Harley much longer. If anything I was just hoping they wouldn’t drag the love triangle for the whole rest of the season with a long cheating subplot, but alas that does seem to be what might happen. Also sorry for multiple asks but apparently I had long thoughts on this! (3/3)
Oh! That’s a really great point. Between the two of them, Ivy has so much solely invested in Harley. The show’s emphasized that again and again. In ep 9, when they fought over Harley joining the LOD:
And like, Ivy was right that the LOD sucked and they’d literally told her they were gonna reject Harley, but Harley getting accepted didn’t need to turn into this.
And after Harley bailed on Ivy to go meet up with Joker, from ep 11:
Like, this was part of the whole season 1 finale arc, Ivy being upset at the mere idea of losing Harley.
And then as you said! From this week’s ep:
You’re so right. For someone who’s already so scared of losing Harley as a friend (and the fact that she sets herself up as the alternate to the Joker for Harley’s time and affections and doesn’t even realize), the emotional risk from being in a romantic relationship with all the additional volatility and chance for messiness that comes from it… It’s understandable, why she’d shy away from that.
As for the triangle, yeah, I’d been hoping this ep would be the start of some meaningful change, but they really are gonna drag this out, it looks like. I really wanted to see them together and how that’d affect them in this world we’ve already seen a season and a half of, their relationship with each other and other people except now as romantic partners. It’d be so different from what any other show’s done because they’re just so central, they drive all the plot, and any other time we’ve seen lead characters in f/f relationships that develop on the show, it’s either a very temporary thing over almost as soon as it begins or it happened in literally the series finale. Like, how is each wacky plot of the week gonna be affected by this major change, especially when we have their friendship to contrast it against?
ON the other hand. I do really, really love getting that payoff after an angsty slow burn, like with Atypical, or after the suspense and tension from Killjoys’ last season, and I feel like for this show, I can’t really think of any other way to slow things down and add that suspense aside from a third party? The cheating’s not necessary, of course, that’s on the writers, but like, without him there, there’d be no real reason they wouldn’t just talk this through earlier, there’s not the same societal pressure or homophobia you’d get in other stories. Yes, yes, the fear of being in love with your best friend, but like, Harley in yesterday’s ep would have 100% said something without him there, right. So as much as I hate him, I get his narrative value here and I don’t mind this being drawn out.
Oh, and no worries about the multiple asks! Clearly I have a lot to say about this too!
I hope you’re right! Honestly i might just be old and jaded lol. I’ve been into this ship for ten years and it’s just been handled so horribly that i’ve come to expect the worst. But i really really want them to get it right this time. I love this version of harley. Ivy is a bit odd sometimes, i don’t really understand her this episode. I hope they spend more time exploring her emotions.
Damn, that’s a lot of investment! I’d be wary too, hell, I’m wary now. If you hadn’t brought it up, I wouldn’t even have thought that’s where they were going, but I guess there’s always a possibility. Some people might think it’s “more” progressive or just flat out more interesting/edgy/surprising, which, can’t rule out that these writers might want to go there. But–and I may look dumb in a few weeks–it seems odd to play it this way if the end goal is, wait, I can be with both people, like THAT’s the big realization here, you know?
Except for her inexplicable interest in Kite guy, I always see where Ivy’s coming from but in today’s ep I do agree, I expected a bit more introspection from her. But I can also see it as the show not wanting to write her and Harley with the same storyline and approach through this and if she actually stops and thinks about it, either the angst they’re having fun drawing out with Kite douche stops or they’ll make her look a lot worse cheating when she could just put a stop to it.
