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November 15, 2019

Update: I’m halfway thru s5 and I’m really really dreading the end Bc I’m not ready for the show to be over! Tbh s4 & start of 5 are bleeding together Bc I watched too many in a row & then took a break. I think s3 was most interesting altogether, I’ve found myself losing focus in parts of 4&5. Some of the stuff seems more disjointed/unnecessary than I’d expect from a show that needs to wrap up. But there are so many moments that have given me ALL the feels. S4 was so much angsty pining!! (1/?)

Delle seyah and aneela love each other so much and s4 was so painful even tho aneela hardly appeared. Gotta say those eps without Dutch dragged a bit tho, but the Delle seyah kept me going during them lol. Omfggg all the feels from Delle seyah’s priority of finding aneela above all else, followed by protecting Jaq & searching for aneela above all else. I love them. Side note: HJK’s smile and face and eyes are so GOOD I’m so gay send help. She’s a delight. Also I got feels from Lucy dying (2/3)

I haven’t had so many feels about an AI since s4 of poi. Also ALL the family feels for Delle seyah/Jaq when she says “never claim what you may lose” and when she told Jaq that she wouldn’t be ok if she lost him and she’s his mother and all her speeches in that ep. Then the ENDING WHEN ANEELA STEPS OUT AND SHE FALLS TO HER KNEES AND ANEELA CANT TAKE HER EYES OFF DELLE SEYAH. OOOF. So good. You’re totally right that watching characters learn to care makes them so appealing, like Root, who’s a fave

Yeah, I think this is really a show that shouldn’t be binged. Not even one season at a time, you know? How some shows thrive by being released on a weekly basis? This one needed that wait. But yes, absolutely, looking back, s3 was probably the highlight, and then personally, even without Dutch, I loved the first eps of s4 and the last. s5 was where it lost the most focus for me, for me s3 and s4 went well together, but s5 was very stop-start.

The s4 pining was AMAZING. It made it so worth the watch even with Aneela barely in it. I’ve said it again and again, KJ was a masterclass in how to make you care for a really terrible person while barely showing her. And I’m just still so impressed how they were never changed or punished in the way we usually see, their growth got to be on their terms, they cared about just a few more people than before and it turned out to be enough. Although, although, Delle Seyah has always been an actual leader. She’s power hungry and ambitious but she has an actual idea of what to do while in charge.

That s5 ep was so good! Delle Seyah and Jaq and their odd little relationship, I was actually super happy to see him being a brat to her. It gave them something to work through and made them both…just a normal parent-child relationship. When characters are given that kind of conflict, it’s to develop them and their dynamic. Which it did, in her way, we got Delle Seyah’s speech to show how much he mattered to her. BUT THEN YES THE ENDING OF THAT EP. Like, we waited that long for them to meet again and it absoLUTELY paid off. I could never have imagined that’s how they’d do it, but like, how else would they actually have, but it was the execution, how like, utterly romantic they made it, and the way, as you said, they couldn’t stop looking at each other and Delle Seyah just falling to her knees! Miss Queens Rise Never Gonna Bow My Head It Messes with the Crown Royalty just sinking to her knees. And the fact that it was out of emotion? *chef’s kiss* Yes, yes, watching Root’s journey with Shaw was kinda similar, yeah, that’s a great point. And Regina and Henry. Seeing people care about others, that is the most effective way to have them appeal to your audience.

Aw, yes, Lucy! She was such a presence, honestly, the third member of Team Awesome Force, before D’av. She was there from the very start, calling Johnny out for being a thief. The series cheated a bit, killing her off for the emotional payoff and then bringing her back, but I will 100% take it.

HJK did so well, Aneela was consistently so different from Dutch, so appealing and intelligent in an entirely different way. Dutch was warmth and humor and compassion, Aneela was just this cold volatile intelligence and then softening for just her chosen people, but never did the two ever overlap. And she’s hot as hell, lol, I can’t deny that, lol. I’m just really grateful that we got this series with her, the perfect writing and timing and tone, and now hopefully she’ll move on to huge things.

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Aneela interacting with people she loves compared to how she interacts with everyone else is so interesting. With her love ones there’s this gentleness and absolute adoration. That is all contrasted nicely with how alien she comes off when she interacts with characters that are not Dutch, Kendry, and Jaq. Also I want to get your take on Aneela’s relationship with Khlyen. I found it a bit weird that the two of them never interacted in the present outside of those episodes in the green.

There’s a MASSIVE difference, you can see it just in the way she treats Kendry before and after really allowing her in. She was condescendingly polite to her when she first came on board but that was a courtesy she was extending to her father’s acquaintance but when it came down to it, in the queens rise showdown, she clearly didn’t think much of her. But then Delle Seyah surprised her and frankly, impressed her, and in that same bedroom later on they had the tether convo, completely different in every way. Much more equal.

Alien really is the word for it, she’s so unpredictably and oddly written, it’s amazing honestly, to see a character like her, and one who was written consistently for over three seasons without removing that edge and making her more human. That brief moment with even Dutch in ep 5×09 where Dutch said something about Khlyen and Aneela was like, Papa only ever fought for us! and it was shocking in its sudden intensity and a reminder, this is still the same Aneela underneath that new domesticity, there’s always that menace and possibility of violence. Even now that she has her family around her and is free from the Lady, she will never be like a human, she just doesn’t have it in her to process and react to things the same way.

Ah, mannn, Khlyen and Aneela. Including that moment above, it’s so complicated, so far to travel to even get to a place from where they can begin to recover something and I think something they just decided they couldn’t really do justice to in the time they had left? Like no way would it just be a hug and that’s it, despite what Aneela thinks, Khlyen owes her a million apologies and so much making up. And yet, as Aneela was influenced by the Hullen virus, so was he, his initial intentions as a Qreshi human weren’t worse than anybody else’s, and then a bunch of terrible circumstances befell the Kin Rits. And if it hadn’t been for some of his actions, they wouldn’t have landed on this eventual happy ending, centuries later. How much do you separate his terrible, terrible actions from being a Hullen? Tearing baby Dutch away, raising her like that in complete opposition to what Aneela wanted, making Aneela feel so less than in the first place. We saw what the virus did to Johnny and forgave him pretty quickly but that’s easy to do when he was only Hullen for a few eps and everyone around him forgave him. We saw the longterm consequences of Khlyen’s treatment on our actual lead character, Dutch, Aneela’s proxy of sorts, and she did call him out. So Aneela should get to as well?

I’m gonna be straight up, there were a number of choices in season 5 I didn’t really get. Obviously if they couldn’t handle their reunion in the last ep, especially when that’s when Dutch had her own big meaningful moment with him, then maybe don’t leave it for then? But I’m assuming that some budget and plot decisions kind of forced them in certain directions and then they couldn’t have certain things happen. Like, unless Yalena, Aneela’s mom, was going to be involved in the final showdown, there’s no actual reason for her to show up or for them to rescue her before everything’s fixed, so yeah, as awesome as it would have had been to have her there earlier, it kind of did make sense that she’d have to be left for the epilogue (still would have loved to see the reunion!). And while I think the prison setting locked them into a weirdly narrow focus, I don’t think that’s what necessarily forced Aneela and Delle Seyah away from the main plot for eps at a time, I think that was just a budget and time thing with HJK and possibly even Mayko, since H&R has been seemingly airing non-stop since spring. But once you took them out the main plot, then it wouldn’t really make sense for them to have big climactic scenes earlier in the season. If Aneela and Khlyen did meet and somehow work through everything, you don’t have the rest of Khlyen’s plot with the Lady or even Dutch would work out in the same way.

October 20, 2019

remember delle seyah named him ozzman (?) originally which is a name from her family and that’s his middle name now. So he has a name from each one of his families :’)

And another anon:

Yeah, the name thing bothered me too. But Delle Seyah seemed to take it well-ish when they told her he chose a new name.

I do remember Ozzman and that it’s now apparently his middle name, but nobody uses it, and to me, it was a way to push down Delle Seyah in favor of D’av. I don’t understand why that whole ep was framed that way. I get the show wanting to cement D’av’s place in Jaq’s life and vice versa, the effect on D’av, but it went way too far. And writers can have Delle Seyah go along with it, I doubt they wanted to put more screentime on that.

It wasn’t as if it was a rejection of the Qresh way of life, it was literally acting as if choosing names is a rite of passage for everyone, when it very much has not been shown to be that, nobody else did it, even Dutch’s name was picked by Johnny. So the choice of Jaqobis over Ozzman in this particular situation came from…where? It wasn’t even about Delle Seyah the person not deserving him carrying on her name, it was just like, oh, I’ve bonded with my bio dad more than my surrogate mom.

Those were the two s4 eps I’ve mentioned as irritating me, the two after Delle Seyah gave birth, when Jaq was going through his growth spurts and everyone was trying to figure out a way to save him while Delle Seyah was offscreen for almost the whole thing and then we had the D’av-Jaq ep and after making sure to place D’av as the more important parent against Delle Seyah, they focused on his perspective against the lead character Dutch’s? It felt like someone was trying to make up for so much of the show’s main dynamic being Dutch-Johnny and by that point bringing in Aneela and her bonds with Delle Seyah and Dutch and overcorrected to try to give D’av some screentime and perspective for a while. Because most of the time they don’t write like that and I was fine with the rest of the season and s5. Even without much screentime in s5 at all, I very much adored how the Kendry-Kin Rit(-Jaqobis) family was written.

I get there’s some logistical reasoning behind some of those mid-s4 decisions, they needed certain characters to be in certain places, and they needed certain dynamics to happen, but that’s the problem with plot first. They usually do character first so well, some of that writing really stood out

October 16, 2019

Update: I’m a few eps into s4 already and I’m dreading it ending Bc I’ve inhaled these far too quickly and I want more lol. I still love Delle seyah. You’re totally right about the show wanting us to keep liking her. She’s been hilarious and had heart and growth, & I think that makes the difference in not wanting her to suffer and pay for what she did. Plus, Johnny shooting her felt like a bit of revenge for pawter. I also think the fact that everyone is morally gray to a point helps. (1/?)

Every single person on the show has done some heinous shit. Some on purpose, some on accident, but the entire world is kinda built on heinous shit happening & them either perpetrating it or kinda ignoring it (like the slavery stuff/ letting guards die for them etc). Hell, pawter made a bunch of ppl die to win her battle. Dutch & co may be the good guys, but their hands are far from clean, which I think makes it easier to accept stuff that Delle seyah and aneela have done. (2/3)

I’ll have to see where the rest of the show leads, but I think this may be the one show I have where I would ordinarily hate some characters & possibly the overall msg but it works for kj, maybe Bc I love Dutch / aneela / Delle seyah lol. I tend to go more for righteous vengeance & this show isn’t that. Too much gray to be that. I think Root was the closest I’ve gotten to rooting for “villain” & we never see much of her evil past. Loved Regina too, but didn’t finish ouat Bc I got mad at it (3/3)

Anon, you watched it too quickly! s4 already?? Ah, man, I wish I could watch s3 and s4 again for the first time. s3 especially, WHAT a season. Queens rise! The kiss! Torture and ice cream! Tether! The Scarback origins! Season three had something so dynamic and epic and well-balanced, it was genuinely a really well done season of TV. Remember that moment at the end of 3×09? Not to spoil so uh, where Pree’s Wayfaring Stranger cuts back in right as it’s happening? Yeah, that moment. >_> The direction and music and everything went so hand in hand, all season long.

Although, I did really love season 4 too. There was one ep in the middle of it I really disagreed with (and then another I kinda disagreed with right after) but they seemed to ease back on the characterization they were pushing. It’s amazing to me how even with as much of a setup season it was, trying to fight back to a status quo and not even make progress in the fight against the Lady, but just to a point where they could build from, it was still so good. Weird dynamics, evolving family, things that worked even when they shouldn’t have. Really, even though s4+5 were announced together and written at the same time, it’s s3+4 that fit so well together.

All right, okay, so it might have been a bit of an exaggeration when I said I don’t really root for bad guys, because once I thought about it, I like so many. Root, HG Wells in Warehouse 13, Eva in NCIS: NOLA. I actually have a pretty extensive list of villains in f/f ships, lol. I think what I meant by exception was that when it came to Delle Seyah vs Pawter, because our baddies usually do not directly KILL main characters, I was okay with instantly forgiving Delle Seyah? I stopped watching OUAT a few seasons in and I loved Regina and SQ, from the start, before her background was even revealed, but when it came to Regina vs Snow? I sided with Snow. I was pissed at Villanelle, the ultimate bad girl, for Bill. Until Eve basically gave permission to continue to like her being still as infatuated as ever.

And I think that’s how it usually works, I’ll go with the main characters. And here’s where my exception comes in because for the whole of season 3 things only got worse between the good guys and Delle Seyah + Aneela and I was somehow rooting for them all? Like, maybe they’ll make up when it comes down to it? (And they did!)

As you said, she did have things happening to her, Johnny shooting her, then she had Gander the way Villanelle post-Bill ep had Nadia’s boyfriend, antagonists so annoying you went back to rooting for a murderer. And she herself changes a bit, she helps Johnny, she helps Bea, she cares and suffers. Which is how Root and Regina and HG really won us over, right. We care about people by seeing them care for others and be cared for. Aneela was barely in season 4 but the way she was adored by her family and Delle Seyah, that did so much to endear her to us.

You’re right, everyone’s done something bad, but there’s a difference between–or maybe a scale of–redemption, between people like Dutch and D’av who feel guilty and terrible about what they did and then people like Delle Seyah, or NCIS: NOLA’s Eva, or…Star Trek: Discovery’s Terran!Georgiou. In Discovery, we like Michael and Ash because we see their struggles and progress, while Georgiou is like an asshole cat who we like for being an asshole cat. There are just different expectations and allowances for different characters? Even a little growth and empathy from those characters is such a huge win.

It’s because of their environment too, like, Georgiou from her hellish Terran universe, Delle Seyah growing up among the Qresh. Certain things are just accepted and expected, as you said, cruel things. Killjoys is definitely a gray kind of world as opposed to, say, Supergirl or OUAT, where morality is set up to define character worth and people are allowed to stray so much less.

Killing Eve goes all the way in the other direction. There’s a distance the narrative sets between us and the victims. A fair number of innocent people die in the first eps, but it’s not until she kills Bill that we’re mad, and even then, because of the way the main character handles it, we get over it. And then sometimes narrative distance is shrunk so we might not even like allies. Jeri Hogarth, on a gray show, sets my teeth on edge. I don’t like her, despite her being a lesbian and my massive childhood crush on CAM. The way she’s bad, the way the show doesn’t really ever soften her through Jessica or other characters, I can never like her.

Heh, this got a lot longer than I expected, but your asks provoked some really interesting dissection of what I like and don’t and why. After your previous ask I was afraid you might have given up on the show, I’m so glad you didn’t. Let me know how the rest of the viewing goes, if you want!

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