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A bit snowed under, a bit. đ
But yes! At the start and up till the effective turning point deliberately brought on by her parents almost catching her in Abbyâs bed, she was extremely loving and affectionate, she was in love with her girlfriend and showed it, thatâs all. It was nice and really provide a bunch of moments of them in the first half.
Yeah, actually, youâre right, so maybe that isnât really a sign of growth, heh, though itâs a…nice thing in itself, I guess.
Now that I think about it, thatâs effectively been their whole relationship, Maya reacts badly to something, Carina calls it out, Maya apologizes, Carina accepts, they make out. I wish Carina had the space to react badly, the screentime and plot arc, really, like, Iâve said this before–or maybe I said itâs easy to love a character whoâs only allowed to be perfect, but in the same vein, itâs easy to be perfect when you donât get the opportunity to be anything else.Â
To be clear, I love her, I love her kindness and goodness and willingness to forgive and fight for those she loves, but sheâs not really making the CHOICE to do so, right? Doing anything else would require them to actually give her that screentime. Like in this last ep, sheâs just like, donât be sorry. Why not?? But if she had the time and was still like, nope, I get that you react like this for a reason and that you regret it so Iâll move past it and instead am going to focus on this other stuff, thatâd be quite different, right. Versus just, welp, my minute for this ep is up, we gotta resolve this and move on.
And yes, lol, 100% Maya should be going to therapy! I know this show loves doing exposition drops through friends ranting to each other, but as that one post said, therapy isnât just talking. Your friends canât provide you everything that therapy does, and like, you donât need to have severe issues to go, you can be fine and go to get in the habit of talking things out and figuring out coping methods and basically to stay fine, but Mayaâs issues ARE severe! Her friends and partner canât give her what she needs for figuring how to unlearn her whole LIFE before now, thereâs so much she has to deal with. And abuse like that doesnât affect just one thing, itâs not just one area of her life, itâs who she is as a person, thereâs nothing left untouched thatâs her alone. She absolutely should be going, yes.
Oh, you didnât need to send it at all, tbh, I absolutely understood what you meant!
Heh, well, they may need another movie then, lol, this one didnât really seem to do the trick too well. I thought the effect of it was clear, that everything she was doing was tied into it, but…well. Which, thatâs kind of interesting, the response to the other closeted characters. Iâll just use this next ask for that.
And another anon:
I donât see the difference between Harper and April. So I think the issue people see with Harper is more shipping than the story
You know, I was thinking about this earlier and actually took part of my answer out of another reply to put in this one. Despite some grumblings about April, and of course taking away just how many more people seemed to be aware of and watched HS, April didnât get nearly the vitriol. And watching The Wilds now, a certain character, as well, I expect there will be some people who wonât like her but it wonât be the same thing at all.Â
I think itâs so many things at once, April is–probably meaner than Harper ever was, but that was before they were in a relationship? And people will excuse that kind of meanness more? The expectations were also completely different, we didnât even know what TBH was gonna be about, itâs a silly show and the high school bully is kind of an archetype weâve come to accept and indeed, ship with the protag (Quinn, Paris)? Kinda weird when you think about it but I guess theyâre more easily accepted as these wild, absurd universes? Which, I thought HS established too, that silly story from Michelle Buteauâs tour guide to start things off, then the way Abby and Harper were chased away from the roof, then Johnâs tracking joke. It was meant to be a silly, exaggerated world. But I guess people took it more seriously?
Longevity and coming to know April over a season probably helped too. Age also, high schoolers are trapped in a different way that people are more sympathetic toward than for people in their 20s or older and plus, people expect less from high schoolers in terms of maturity and responsible, forward-thinking decision making. And indeed, a fair number of people who didnât forgive Harperâs actions toward Abby did leave out what she did to Riley, gotta acknowledge that. But not everyone. đŽ
I dunno, heh. Itâs a lot of things, I guess, but I do think that there is an expectation to come out in high school or college and the later you put it off, the less sympathy you get, itâs seen as hurting yourself, your partner, your community.
Uh, it can be light hearted at times but each ep goes into a different girlâs backstory and they can be pretty rough, aside from what is also happening on the island. You start off with a 16 year oldâs affair with this published famous author and a girl on the island dying and that kind of sets the tone. The rest of the eps can be tough to watch, especially because the premise itself is pretty cruel, but eps 8 and 9 personally were consecutive punches in the stomach, again referring to underage stuff to other characters and…I donât know how much to spoil, but hard to watch in their own way.
Heh, yeah, it was pretty obvious from just the promo, Toni was revealed to be gay off the bat and then a bunch more clips were her and Shelby. I kind of like how clear that was, even as something technically revealed late in the season, where two of the central characters are written for that from the start.
Oh, thatâs a good point! She did indeed simply apologize, so that was something. And I did definitely like the scene with Andy, I remember in s1 when it was Andy just spilling all her troubles while Maya was just there to listen, itâs nice that Andy can do that for Maya too.Â
Definitely! If the one way Carina is getting screentime is with Maya, why not give a bit of that story to her? Or have all three talk together, since Andyâs living with them?Â
Like, it can be interesting, where Mayaâs so afraid to turn into her dad with Carina and is afraid to talk to her about it, doesnât want to scare her off, and goes to Andy instead, and then as soon as she gets home and one small thing doesnât go her way, she does get (a little) mad, like thatâs an interesting coherent story! But then to not see the aftermath of that explored with Carina, then that feels like the arcâs incomplete, right. Carina shouldnât need that whole explanation for why the kitchenâs like that, they both deserve to be able to talk out why Maya acted like that in the first place.
Right, that is the literal storyline, that a usually loving gf reaches her lowest point in these circumstances. Sorry, by this point, Iâm kind of repeating the same thing, thereâs only so much to be said, especially when most of this ask is my own quote (:P) but yeah, you canât disconnect the two things. And it is up to you how willing you are to forgive her actions but itâs a character who, the story itself says, acts badly only about this one thing, acknowledges and apologizes for that, and then spends at least 10 months making up for it. And itâs part of a genre where this happens, you donât take it seriously because you know itâs exaggerated, both the ups and downs.
Heh, I know youâre joking, but I do get that from their perspective, it isnât just a bad movie nor even one a big letdown as a highly anticipated big name holiday f/f romcom, but one with a damaging narrative. I just really, really disagree with that. đŽ
Also, now that youâve mentioned that and Clea DuVallâs recent hotness is on my mind…ought I watch the f/f stuff on Handmaidâs Tale… I can be tough about some things in media but sensitive about others…