Juliantina are a game changer in so many ways. I didn’t invest any time in voting in a poll Bc I was cool with where Juliantina are. We got an amazing story, Barbie & Maca keep feeding us well, we’ve gotten press about them and they even got in cosmo. We got a photoshoot. This must be what straight ppl feel like all the time lol. I voted a couple times Bc it’d be cool for Barbie/Maca to see that we appreciate their work, but I think we’ve made that beyond clear many times already so I’m good lol

Yeah, I guess we such a specific history with fandom polls, right, going back to Glee times, where they’ve provided the one opportunity to go up against other fandoms and be heard? Because we’re drowned out by m/f and m/m fans in every other context and outnumbered even here but we’re the hungriest. We vote for own selves to be validated in some way. 

And people may have wanted to carry that on, but this has definitely been one of the rare times where a f/f ship has so many things already going for it. And if it’s to thank them, well, as you said, we’ve done that in many different ways already.

What do you think of the dream Wren was having in Proven Innocent?

Hmm, I actually thought it was a flashback disguised as a nightmare, like, this isn’t so much a vague hypothetical fear she has of something happening to Maddie but something that has happened. 

While a part of me wonders at how minimized Wren often seems to be, I can’t help but notice that pretty much all of Maddie’s memories of prison revolve around her. Even this glimpse of her getting STABBED is through Wren’s eyes. It reminds me of when Maddie had her own little flash of memory, when she and Easy were discussing not being able to hide the color of their skin vs hiding who you love, and there was a very short cut to her and Wren holding hands in prison. Was this a consequence of that? 

This show’s built on reveals and I know Maddie’s prison time isn’t necessarily relevant to the actual overarching mystery of who killed Rosemary but surely it’s important to Maddie’s individual story. Which makes Wren kind of important however else they treat her. Right? It’s always possible for them to simply cut her out, shows do all the time, but then it’s very obvious as the bad writing it is. If they’re going to explore significant Maddie memories, like of her being stabbed, Wren has to be there.

Did we ever been feed this well ever?

Nope, not ever. I’ve never seen a canon ship where the actors were this indulgent with fans. Nor allowed to be, to be fair. The actors, fans, and network/media environment have all aligned to produce this mutual outpouring of support and content.

I started watching in the dark and proven innocent Bc of your gifsets and I’m actually enjoying both so far, but I feel like both are gonna blow up on me eventually lol. In the dark Bc it’s the CW so that’s on brand, and proven innocent Bc it really does have an ominous thread to it. Maybe Bc I’m in shock that a show has a bi lead in a same sex relationship and she’s actually the main character and it seems too good to be true?? Plus the premise of the show?? But I already love Wren…

Oh, because of my gifsets? I’m flattered! But this is why I never actually straight up recommend the shows I gif, you just never know!

Actually, in the case of In the Dark, it feels rather not like a typical CW show? Not that that helps, in this case, that might actually be worse. But in terms of what’s on brand for the CW, the worst their f/f rep has suffered since 2016 (when they learned a LESSON) is poor screentime and lack of focus. No death and none of the especially offensive tropes. We can never be sure that might not change, maybe they (like other shows recently) will decide three years was enough of a moratorium, but I don’t fear a f/f death on the CW any more than any other network. And the ship here is so background, I don’t really see them getting much drama.

Proven Innocent is a very weird case. Like you, I am bewildered by how oddly central the f/f is. But at the same time, they do seem to minimize Wren herself. It’s almost as if Maddie having a gf is more important than the gf herself. But then other times they do focus on them together and her relationship with Wren kinda needs Wren to be present. It’s ominous, I think, because it’s such an earnest show that tries to cover such difficult topics and for them to matter, the stakes have to be high, so there’s no happy ending waiting.

But I don’t regret starting or watching them. I didn’t actually know there was going to be f/f in either when I started, which helps loads, watching a show for its own sake and not f/f, but also, I didn’t do anything wrong by expecting the shows to behave decently. If they mess up that’s on them. 

Like, your question made me think about The Purge and Star, from which I giffed f/f that later went south. And looking back now, it’s easy to say, how did I expect them to be better, but I’ve really come to dislike how we put the blame on ourselves, “Why’d, I get into this? I should have known better, it’s my fault really”. As the stories were happening, they really did sell these pining, romantic ships. Not perfect, there was cheating and angst, but it was The Purge and Star, that’s just everything was. And then what went wrong wasn’t because of the cheating or angst, they just abruptly and with terrible writing, ended them. That’s on them. 

I can’t just not watch everything in case it goes bad, then I’d watch nothing. And right after The Purge and Star, I got into a pretty goshdarn great ship, and I’d have missed a lot of the fun of watching a story unfold live if I’d waited to make sure it was “safe”. And even when I’m tentative about things, like I was with Will & Grace (and both these shows you mentioned, tbh), I’d still rather watch live and get at least some enjoyment before there’s nothing left to enjoy.

That’s me, anyway. I fully get that other people have other approaches and maybe for you, the comfort of knowing the fault is on the writers isn’t enough. I’ll keep giffing, in that case, and will let you know if a season ended in a good place. 😛

Can I ask? Would you know? How the heck did everyone realize there was a missing scene? Were someone from Puerto Rico and someone from Mexico comparing notes? How the heck?? I’m so curious now, did the viewers in PR come away with a much more satisfied feeling??

Well, fans from all over watched through youtube as the clips first aired in Mexico, right (with some people waiting until the few extra days until it aired in Univision, but then still viewing the zeroty clips). So just as people who’d watched online and then watched live in their own country were able to see for themselves when scenes had been cut like in Peru, Colombia,and El Salvador, I guess some Puerto Rican viewers were like wait, wait, this is not in anything I’ve seen online before. 

That’s a good question about that feeling of satisfaction… It’d be hard to compare. I imagine if you’re the type of person to be invested heavily in Juliantina, you’d already have watched the storyline? Even if you discovered it while watching TV, if you super loved them, you probably at some point would have looked them up online to see what other fans were saying. And you must admit, a major part of the fun has been in sharing it with the fandom? So like, if you were in a place to be completely unspoiled by the time the finale aired and were able to watch it as the full real version, it’d probably mean something different to you? I suppose there would not be many people who were intense shippers who also remained unspoiled by the time they watched the finale. They would have probably felt pretty good about the end but I gotta tell you, I’m feeling pretty good right now too, lol. They didn’t even know what they were missing, we were able to get a missing scene a month and a half after!

100% Lupe helped Juliana do her hair before she went to the TV station.

I’m so here for fully on-board shipper Lupe, being all, she just declared her love for you on TELEVISION, Juli, you can’t go looking like that! There’ll be reporters and CAMERAS. 

Omg, omg, do you think the news people AIRED THAT CLIP OF THEM MEETING? Of Val freezing and forgetting how to breathe when she saw Juls and then being super romantic and then the hand holding and then them walking off together? God, I want to live in that world.

aa!! i got a memory called empire from your giveaway and im in love!! but also these names are all so wack. anyway I just wanted to say thank you so much for doing this, i never would have been able to actually get the book unless i waited until christmas and by then there would be 100 more books and ive been so excited to read it and im so grateful for you and the giveaway

Oh, wow, I’m so glad you were the person who won, then! You’re totally welcome, I just find it a fun way to engage with books I like. I hope you enjoy it, it was a book I liked the simple reading of, not just to get to a reveal or the end.

The names are super weird, right?? But you get used to the Number Noun format eventually, at least, if only because they’re at least familiar words. I found the Stationers’ names harder to remember. But the writing is so clear about context, you’re never confused for long. And I totally forgot to mention this but my gosh, the level of linguistics and literature work and research that went into this! In a way, the consistency that comes from that makes it easier to remember too.

I CANT BELIEVE THEY HAD THIS SCENE THE ENTIRE TIME. If this was just in line w my theory that they cut all kisses/romance Bc it was a Sunday finale w a wider audience, I completely fail to understand why they didn’t release this when everyone was pointing out the lack of a kiss lol this was CLASSIC romantic Juliantina even without a kiss, and we got the cute lil cuddle. These girls. Juliana looking hot af. Omfg. Also ouch Maggie Sawyer feels “can’t imagine my life without u in it” these girlllls

I KNOW. It was perfect! 

It was so good that even if they cut it, which obviously sucks, it still feels really nice as a fan because we’d so known something was missing and it just felt so jarring to think the writer/director had simply decided there didn’t need to be more for them. And now we know for sure that wasn’t actually the case. Their story did include this very fitting reunion for them, the theme kicking in, the not caring who knows aspect, the romance, just stuck in their own world for a bit, finally deciding to be together after all those times they couldn’t be, and a handhold and even a hand smooch to cap it off as they walked off into the proverbial sunset.