I’m not really sure how Maya and Carina’s relationship “grew” this episode but the Maya and Andy scene in the equipment room was all kinds of good. Danielle is killing that storyline and as much as I want Maya/Carina I am so happy that Maya is healing. That last scene was solid too. S3 Maya wouldn’t have listened, she would’ve continued to try and pick a fight. So i guess that’s growth.

Oh, that’s a good point! She did indeed simply apologize, so that was something. And I did definitely like the scene with Andy, I remember in s1 when it was Andy just spilling all her troubles while Maya was just there to listen, it’s nice that Andy can do that for Maya too. 

I like the fact that Carina didn’t reply with an ”I love you” back. I know she said it in 3×16 but her not saying it now maybe shows that they aren’t still in an ideal place in their relationship.

Oh, hmm, I didn’t really take that as a sign of anything, it just seemed like a quick thing Maya is trying to get into the habit of saying? Part of her making an effort? The awkwardness with the hand and just the way she blurted it out made it seem like it didn’t come easily but I actually really liked it. And Carina seemed to think the same, I think she realized it was a thing Maya was saying to her and not necessarily anything deeper that needed to be reciprocated.

I liked that Maya spoke so frankly about her feelings but I wanted to see her speak to Carina about those feelings too…

Definitely! If the one way Carina is getting screentime is with Maya, why not give a bit of that story to her? Or have all three talk together, since Andy’s living with them? 

Like, it can be interesting, where Maya’s so afraid to turn into her dad with Carina and is afraid to talk to her about it, doesn’t want to scare her off, and goes to Andy instead, and then as soon as she gets home and one small thing doesn’t go her way, she does get (a little) mad, like that’s an interesting coherent story! But then to not see the aftermath of that explored with Carina, then that feels like the arc’s incomplete, right. Carina shouldn’t need that whole explanation for why the kitchen’s like that, they both deserve to be able to talk out why Maya acted like that in the first place.

“The way people are acting about closeted people in general is eye-opening and hugely hurtful. I had no idea until now how many people don’t think of closeted people as…equally queer? Queer at all? Again and again, I’m seeing narratives where Harper is just…apparently choosing to be closeted for no reason at all, basically another straight person and deliberately treating Abby like this because she wants to or something.” OMG THIS. The movie is so clear it’s the *situation* doing this to Harper?

Right, that is the literal storyline, that a usually loving gf reaches her lowest point in these circumstances. Sorry, by this point, I’m kind of repeating the same thing, there’s only so much to be said, especially when most of this ask is my own quote (:P) but yeah, you can’t disconnect the two things. And it is up to you how willing you are to forgive her actions but it’s a character who, the story itself says, acts badly only about this one thing, acknowledges and apologizes for that, and then spends at least 10 months making up for it. And it’s part of a genre where this happens, you don’t take it seriously because you know it’s exaggerated, both the ups and downs.

I haven’t seen happiest season yet but i think instead of making internet posts about it people who didn’t like it should just say to themselves “at least I didn’t just watch Jenny’s Wedding” and move tf on with their lives

Heh, I know you’re joking, but I do get that from their perspective, it isn’t just a bad movie nor even one a big letdown as a highly anticipated big name holiday f/f romcom, but one with a damaging narrative. I just really, really disagree with that. 😮

Also, now that you’ve mentioned that and Clea DuVall’s recent hotness is on my mind…ought I watch the f/f stuff on Handmaid’s Tale… I can be tough about some things in media but sensitive about others…