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To take you away a bit from the Happiest season mess, did you hear about the new “ship” from Televisa? I put it in brackets cause damn i’m disappointed i thought the network has learned from Juliantina and will only progress from there, i guess i was wrong.

Thank you for the distraction? Heh, but tbh, I’d actually welcome external homophobia at this point instead of our own community.

And no, I hadn’t heard of anything! That’s really disappointing because exactly, all the things Juliantina did and achieved and this? Aside from it just being mean to do poor rep? But what are the details exactly? And we do have to remember (look at things in the US community right now…) that these things do tend to advance and then go back a step and so on, the end result still being forward prorgress.

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Remember this cool ass cover?

I read the available preview and liked it enough to once again chance an ARC request and got approved! 

While there is a part of me going hmm at this North African-inspired fantasy also having white colonialism run rampant, I’m assuming (and hoping!) that breaking free of that will be the triumphant endgame, so really looking forward to it. Aside from just how incredibly hot the lead looks above, lol.

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I wish I could come out. I literally have never dated anyone and I’m 25. I’ve had crushes on guys openly and girls lowkey and have considered myself bi since I was 16 and questioning but as I get older I seem to be leaning more towards girls lol. And I feel like at the rate I’m going I’m never going to be able to have the love I want. My dad being homophobic and a trump supporter. And most people in my country is against lgbt, I just feel so trapped.. sorry to bother just needed to let it out

I’m so sorry you’re feeling like that, anon, and please don’t feel like you’re a bother! You can vent or say whatever whenever you want, including in my messages, I’ll always respond when I can, you wouldn’t be bothering me.

As for your actual circumstances…yeah, buddy, it sucks. We’re not closeted for the fun of it! I wish you could come out too, and maybe one day you can, or at least just to the people who matter? As they say, it’s something that happens again and again, coming out to friends, to love interests, that doesn’t mean you have to be out to family. And whatever people are saying right now, there are people who won’t demand that you be fully out, who’ll understand your circumstances.

But you know, don’t think that you’ve run out of or are running out of time. Aside from it never being too late, 25 is not old. And actually, there are way more 25 year olds with no dating experience than you’d think, in general, but in a conservative area, and especially in the LGBT community, because of how the closet delays our social lives by so much, you know? You’re not like, behind the curve or something, or alone in wanting to find someone but can’t right now, most likely there are others in your environment who share what you’re going through.

Obviously the pandemic is making things even tougher, but you still have a chance when things ease, you may be able to find someone. Just try to be careful about it, as I know you already are, but your safety’s the most important thing here.

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Wow I am baffled by people’s reaction to happiest season. I understand your sadness, this discourse is so hard to read :( Was not expecting this. I was talking to a friend the other day about why they decided on another in the closet/coming out story. But based on people’s reaction I stand corrected, those are obviously still needed….

Yeah… You know, the irony was, I wasn’t even that excited about it, when it was announced, I literally posted this: https://booasaur.tumblr.com/post/180630988565/me-a-new-ff-movie-with-recognizable-stars-and-a

And then I ended up thinking it was great! What an idiot I was. I wish now I hadn’t watched at all and just stayed away from it completely.

I don’t know if it’s needed, it’s certainly not effective. And people can say, all they want, how it’s because of Harper’s actions, because apparently they’re somehow decontextualized from her being closeted?, because in this situation THEY would never lie or briefly be a dick (and apologize), they would never put someone in this situation that apparently they had no choice to refuse, that basically, it’s Harper they find unsympathetic, not closeted people in general. 

Even though we can see the comments they make that kind of DO apply to closeted people in general! Oh, she’s cowardly but in a different way from us? She doesn’t deserve love but in a different way from us? That out people are better in general, more confident, mature, but only when we’re talking about fictional characters?

But you know what the rub of it is. I’ve been really deep in some fandoms with closeted characters, who were as sympathetic as they claim Harper should have been. Jade from The Rich Man’s Daughter, who attempted suicide and who was slapped around by her family? Rana from Corrie who was shaking and sobbing and humiliated when her parents found out? I saw how they were treated. I saw how people treated Sophie from Batwoman. I don’t want to hear about this perfect closeted person who behaves like an angel, as if they themselves aren’t the biggest victim of the homophobia around them.

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Haha I like how you tag “I watch so much trash” in your response. I mean hey one person’s trash is another’s treasure right? No judgement, and I also enjoyed Happiest Season. To be fair, I didn’t go in with high expectations and went in for a light fun time. Sometimes we don’t need to watch cinematic masterpieces or thought-provoking media, and we’re mentally drained from stress/pandemic. So we crave something light and comforting like “trash” media, sitcoms, or light holiday movies, animated films, etc. My therapist does recommend distractions to occasionally help with anxiety or stress sooo ?‍♀️…

Well, I didn’t think HS was trash, heh, or at least not as trashy as other media. But yes, exactly, if something entertains us, what’s the problem? I tend to seek out lighter media myself even in times of not-pandemic, but for sure, nowadays…let’s just get through the day. 

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Don’t you think that the plot of happiest season is very similar to merry happy whatever from last year, only gay? I mean, I’m sure it’s very similar to many Christmas movies but I spent a while thinking why it felt so familiar and I remembered this show. Every sibling with their secret and the guy wanting to propose on Christmas morning and all that. And his gf also messed up to the point he left.

Oh, that’s true, it is! And you know, that’s a great point?? I didn’t even think of that, but yes, this is a whole GENRE of holiday media where people act horribly under stress and then make up at the end, and it’s always unrealistic and unearned but you’re okay with it because you know away from this stretch of holidays, they’re fine, and will be fine after. But yeah, heh, it’s funny how similar it is, just…without any gay drama for the mains.

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“I’m honestly a little sad and hurt at the attitude about closeted people I’ve seen from shockingly so many people, people who I know try to approach other things with kindness.” i feel the same way! i don’t expect everyone to like the movie because everyone has different tastes. but that’s not really what we’re seeing here: the level of hate harper is getting is completely over the top, something usually reserved for villains (and not the likable kind). very disappointed in fandom’s attitude

For real! Like, sure, she was a dick at times, you may not love her or even like her, but the complete dismissal of context altogether, no, that’s not fair at all.

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I caught up with Station 19 and I feel like Carina should work on the PRT. Having her go back and forth on Greys Anatomy is fine too but if she’s only on Station 19 when it’s time to be Maya’s girlfriend idk. I know the season just came back and they might have a plan for Carina but I have never watched Greys other than the episodes were they mesh and I don’t want to, lol. I just want them to give Carina things to do on Station 19 that aren’t Maya related!

For sure, for sure, it would suck on both a character and ship level if she was always and only defined by Maya. 

I think we floated the idea that she worked on the PRT when we got the news she was a regular but it always seemed odd for an obgyn. The other thing we joked about was that they just have baby related emergencies on S19 every week and while there is one coming up I don’t think they really can do that… 

I’m not sure what we’ll get aside from that, Maya and Carina at home every ep can’t be enough to justify regular status, right? I remember we also suggested that they may have just wanted to get her on contract to be available to both shows, that Grey’s might have had other actors it wanted to sign on for the season so S19 took Stefania, but she might still end up more on Grey’s? In the first Grey’s eps there was a lot of her but that was actually mostly last season’s footage in flashback form so……I guess we’ll see.

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Ugh I too am disappointed by so many peoples reactions to Happiest Season. I feel like so many people missed the point. We were supposed to dislike Harper’s actions because HARPER disliked who she was with her family but she couldn’t stop herself. It had been ingrained in her for so long – be the perfect daughter! And if she wasn’t perfect she’d lose their affections (like how Jane was nothing more to her family than the wifi fixer and Sloan was nothing more than the mother of biracial twins. They fell from their parent’s ideal of perfection so their parents withheld full love and acceptance of them). Sorry for the rant. I’m just so sad at some of the reactions. It’s like people forgot that closet people are closeted for a reason. This film resonated with so many people – being in love with someone but afraid to take them home for the holidays. Also it was a cute, meaningful film and I just don’t know why LGBT people feel like it’s cool to knock all of our media. I’m over it.

Regarding your last line, as I’ve said before, I’m always okay with LGBT people criticizing our media, it’s for us, we’re no more critical than anyone else, we can do that. 

But in this case, I do definitely have an issue with what that criticism is. Truly, the way people are acting about closeted people in general is eye-opening and hugely hurtful. I had no idea until now how many people don’t think of closeted people as…equally queer? Queer at all? Again and again, I’m seeing narratives where Harper is just…apparently choosing to be closeted for no reason at all, basically another straight person and deliberately treating Abby like this because she wants to or something. 

The problem isn’t that the movie isn’t clear enough about the point or that people missed it, it’s that they think she brought this on herself.