No, I think your take is nuanced. It’s okay that you don’t enjoy things that don’t have a happy ending, while still being able to understand that others do and that doesn’t make those movies/shows bad or wrong. It’s enough nuance for me. I also don’t enjoy such a hardline stance on BYG becoming almost a rule as I think it discourages writers from even including a gay character. If you’re going to get hate from fans for not doing it perfectly, I would be less inclined to do it if I were a writer

Ah, well, thanks! I think most people think like that, we only hear of the few exceptions that don’t because, well, unless the people who’re fine with it are getting a bunch of asks, there’s no reason for them to be putting it out there. 😛 Mostly it’s disagreement that gets voiced unprompted, not shrugs.

Oh, I wouldn’t worry about the hardline stance discouraging writers, that was the fear after the Lexa outcry and we’ve only seen a rise in LGBT characters, and for a good few years there, almost no deaths. And would you really want characters written by people who were going to kill them off but now that they know it’s frowned on don’t want to write the character at all?

I also think we tend to overestimate how loud the f/f fandom is, we wince at the reputations certain fandoms get, but that’s just…fandom. We’re only noticing those in particular because they’re ours, but m/m and m/f fandoms are just as loud (if not more so, because they’re more of them). Sometimes they get what they want, sometimes they don’t, it’s just how media works. And yes, they can’t all use homophobia as a specific criticism but they can usually find another political approach. Doesn’t mean the writers are going to be more inclined to listen, whether that’s a good or bad thing.

So with Filthy Rich, do you think 1. Becky will live 2. That once Ginger hears what happened shes flying straight away back to NO 3. Who Ginger is gonna be sadder/worried about, the dead reporter or Becky 4. Do you think Ginger will tell Eric about them if Becky is super hurt because everyone will be questioning why shed want to see her

Oh, wow, I sure hope Becky lives?? I think she will, her role gives so much drama and there’s so much left for her to provide? Much more than if she dies, then it’ll be simply a matter of Eric getting the baby, there’s no custody war or mystery to it. Like Luke’s death now brings up the question who did it, what will the next steps be about his story, etc. Becky dying in childbirth brought on by a guy we already know is bad…less drama. I’m not gonna rule it out but it’s not a big fear for me.

2. I….this is where I can never tell, because I always downplay how important f/f stories are to the main plot because that’s just how it is, even here, despite involving two central characters, the Becky/Ginger relationship has hardly made any ripples in the rest of the show, except the divorce. So in that sense, I wouldn’t expect Ginger’s plot in the next ep to revolve around Becky. Buuut, I mean, I didn’t expect even this much so maybe I’m underestimating this show? And in a general sense, I would actually be surprised if everyone’s plot didn’t revolve around Becky a bit, that is a Monreaux next generation heir, so Margaret and Eugene’s grandchild, and most other characters’ nibling (even Ginger’s). Jesus is most of that too but the same guy who took him hurt Becky so again that’s connected. 

3. I think she’ll be pretty sad about Luke since she’s really the only character who knew and liked him and can only openly mourn, but I’m hoping for some scenes where she’s thinking about or even going to meet Becky.

4. Ummm, hmm. That DOES seem like a juicy reveal the show won’t miss so I’m not sure if they’ll do it this ep or next, but I dunno, really, the show’s subverted a bunch of my expectations. I don’t think Eric would be surprised or need an explanation if Ginger goes to see Becky, it’ll probably be expected that most of the family would go at some point. 

A lot of questions, lol, anon, about a show that tbh I’ve mostly been content to watch from and hope for the best when it comes to the f/f. I’m still thinking about Becky’s death, now that you’ve put the thought into my head…and wondering if that unexpected shift from Ginger to be interested in pursuing a relationship is to set up a tragic twist…but let’s freaking hope not! I’d be pretty angry at the show for that.

hi, i was wondering, where do you get the episodes of filthy rich? i`m mexican and im strugling to find the show online. I love your blog by the way

Oh, hmm, I tend to download them from a private source but for this, I actually can access the Fox site: https://www.fox.com/filthy-rich/ You may need an American IP, but I think it’s actually not not necessary to have a TV subscription beyond that? Maybe… But in which case, I think this also has a bunch of sources for them, obviously be careful with your adblocker and anti-virus software: https://www.primewire.li/tv/1330947-watch-filthy-rich

Oh, and thank you!

It’s nice to see a more nuanced take on W/W plotlines that aren’t all happy. It feels like a lot of people get super mad if someone dies (though it often seems they direct that anger quite selectively) without looking at what it adds to the story. It’s like they took the ‘Bury Your Gays’ trope and turned it into some rule that no one can die or be unhappy or the show is homophobic.

Heh, well, I’m afraid you’re getting one of the rather unuanced takes here. I can understand that other people can still appreciate them but I don’t love ‘em and they add nothing for me. 

The applicability of BYG is…a tough topic. I actually DO understand people who’re like, we’ve gotten enough bad ends to hold us over for another few generations at least and there are very few narrative reasons good enough to justify them when other choices would have sufficed. But one can’t realistically make hard and fast rules about that, like, some wlw are going to be into media that does have BYGs and literally what would be the point of seeking them out and making them unhappy when for once the media didn’t.

Maybe it’s easier to explain if I say I always try to be on the side of wlw fans in general. It is true that a bunch of fans, including me, don’t really like bad endings (or a lack of HEA) but it’s also undeniable that media like THOBM and Portrait made a lot of wlw fans happy so great, a win for at least someone. There can be room for both groups. It’s fine to disagree, that’s natural, but as long as it’s not done meanly, whatever, right? It’s also probably helpful to not take defense or even praise of media personally as an attack on our own…approach to things.

Do you think becky actually likes ginger or is just using her? I feel like its a mix but it might just be me?

Using her in what sense? I myself am not ruling Becky out as a potential baddie because of the genre, but in terms of what we’ve seen on screen so far, I haven’t seen anything at all that points to Becky using Ginger. If the twist comes, it’ll very much come out of the blue.

Becky’s story so far has been a pretty classic case of specifically religious gay panic and the back and forth that comes with it. If anything, until yesterday’s ep, it really felt like she was way more into Ginger than vice versa?

The thing is, there’s nothing really to be gained by trying anything with Ginger? Staying married to Evan gave her much more and for all she knew, Ginger wasn’t into any kind of monogamous relationship. But she’s literally just asked for a divorce anyway, and being very hot/cold with Ginger. If that’s a scheme, she’s a true mastermind. Plus, we’ve seen scenes without Ginger, not just the recap mentions but like when she went to Paul in ep 1×06, that wasn’t for Ginger’s benefit. So far she seems pretty sincere to me in everything we’ve seen of her.

No dude lesbians being killed in tv and movies isn’t for straight ppl to learn anything. It’s out of homophobia and convenience. Easy kill for shock value after you’ve used them for the big sex scene or whatever. Or killing them because the gay character ‘deserves it’. Bly manor they treated Dani and Jamie with dignity. It’s a series where everyone suffered. And the strength of dani and Jamie’s love was inspiring.

Ah, well, call it benevolent homophobia then, and it certainly can be convenient, but the narrative is often too “Look how bad this is! Look how they struggle!” for me to think it’s all malicious intentional homophobia. And what confirms that is seeing the same for other marginalized groups, trauma porn to show how bad it was/is. 

I can believe that Dani and Jamie were treated well, I’m not debating that, but I’m sure there lesbian stories you hate out there where all the other characters suffered and where some lesbian viewers think they were handled with dignity. The POI fandom alone is pretty divided over that. It can be pretty relative but I’m not judging THOBM for it?